Another thing with going a differnet direction, is it's gonna take atleast a draft pick. Potentially more because you're gonna wanna trade up to get a LT. So that's gonna subtract cheap labor draft picks from other areas of the team.
Or you can use money, sign a known product thats 25 and could still improve to whatever level you wanna say, and use those draft picks to find you a pass rusher or a WR> [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Another thing with going a differnet direction, is it's gonna take atleast a draft pick. Potentially more because you're gonna wanna trade up to get a LT. So that's gonna subtract cheap labor draft picks from other areas of the team.
Or you can use money, sign a known product thats 25 and could still improve to whatever level you wanna say, and use those draft picks to find you a pass rusher or a WR>
I mean the obvious alternative seems to be Terron Armstead, right? The Saints don't seem to be in a position to tag him so he'll likely see FA.
I don't think he'll get Williams money - but he'll get close. And he's a little more of a fit for what the offense wants to do; better pass blocker and more athletic than Brown, for sure.
So let's say you can get Brown moved for a 2 and sign Armstead. But that Brown can be had for 5 years, $105 million at 26 years old while Armstead will cost, say, 4 years and $95 million at 31 yrs old.
I think you probably upgrade at the position for the remainder of this run. But Armstead has a much shakier health history than Brown and that can't be ignored. Especially with the backup LT situation being on shaky ground here. Your average annual cap hit is almost certainly higher, maybe by 20%. And you're bringing in a descending player rather than an ascending one.
Doesn't that kinda paint the picture of how valuable Brown actually is to us? Even if you replace him with damn near a best case scenario alternative on the free agent market, there are REAL drawbacks. I don't even know if I have a 'right' answer here - if you really can get a 2 for Brown, it may not be a bad idea to do that swap. But you're really playing with fire given Armstead's tendency to get dinged up.
I'd take 16 games from Brown over 10 games from Armstead. The fall off at LT is just too big and Brown has been largely healthy in his career. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I mean the obvious alternative seems to be Terron Armstead, right? The Saints don't seem to be in a position to tag him so he'll likely see FA.
I don't think he'll get Williams money - but he'll get close. And he's a little more of a fit for what the offense wants to do; better pass blocker and more athletic than Brown, for sure.
So let's say you can get Brown moved for a 2 and sign Armstead. But that Brown can be had for 5 years, $105 million at 26 years old while Armstead will cost, say, 4 years and $95 million at 31 yrs old.
I think you probably upgrade at the position for the remainder of this run. But Armstead has a much shakier health history than Brown and that can't be ignored. Especially with the backup LT situation being on shaky ground here. Your average annual cap hit is almost certainly higher, maybe by 20%. And you're bringing in a descending player rather than an ascending one.
Doesn't that kinda paint the picture of how valuable Brown actually is to us? Even if you replace him with damn near a best case scenario alternative on the free agent market, there are REAL drawbacks. I don't even know if I have a 'right' answer here - if you really can get a 2 for Brown, it may not be a bad idea to do that swap. But you're really playing with fire given Armstead's tendency to get dinged up.
I'd take 16 games from Brown over 10 games from Armstead. The fall off at LT is just too big and Brown has been largely healthy in his career.
Armstead could also, with the injuries adding up, be at a potential cliff edge. He’s not really old but what that injury history I’d be pretty nervous lying that dude that much into the 35 year old season.
Left tackle is such an important position, one in which you really don’t usually have a “backup” specifically for said spot I dunno that I’d really gamble much.
Especially when you already have a 25 year old guy whose played in the system already here and you have an idea what he could become.
It could be a potential improvement for sure there but you could also potentially have Brown there for 2 contracts. Things workout there that’s a lot of stability with the left tackle spot [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Another thing with going a differnet direction, is it's gonna take atleast a draft pick. Potentially more because you're gonna wanna trade up to get a LT. So that's gonna subtract cheap labor draft picks from other areas of the team.
Or you can use money, sign a known product thats 25 and could still improve to whatever level you wanna say, and use those draft picks to find you a pass rusher or a WR>
Is this where we, again, point out how the Chargers, somehow, fell into the perfect pick with Slater? Damn, that team knows how to draft in the 1st. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Is this where we, again, point out how the Chargers, somehow, fell into the perfect pick with Slater? Damn, that team knows how to draft in the 1st.
Too bad that's the only thing their front office can do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
You want franchise players at S, QB, and LT? We can do that and we'll only really miss on the Tillery and Murray picks during that time. Deal?
You're way over estimating their F/O my dude.
Their QB, S and LT fell right into their lap. You know this. They didn't make any moves like the Chiefs did to secure Mahomes etc. Herbert fell right to their asses. Had Miami not been so stupid and taken Tua....Herbert fell right to them when their #1 need was a QB.
Derwin James falling to, what was it, 17 when their #1 need was a S? That shit couldn't have lined up better for them.
Slater? They sat there and he fell to them. Exact same scenario as James. They lucked right into Slater when LT was their #1 need.
Aside from blue chip marquee players falling to their position of need, wtf have they ever done in the draft? Pure luck that they even have those guys, mostly as a result of other teams failing and having yearly top 15 draft picks.
They are risk adverse AF. When do you see them swing for big target F/A's? When do they ever make a substantial trade? Never.
They are a passive F/O who's team routinely comes up short because the roster is always a dollar short because they aren't shrewd enough to make the moves necessary to push them into the upper echelon of the NFL.
The owner(s) is flat out broke and won't pay out the signing bonuses needed to retain/sign high level players and they don't even do a good job of retaining their picks.
They are a passive, sit on your hands "build through the draft" team who's never loaded enough to make a real run, because they're not aggressive enough to make the moves it takes to build a contender. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
You want franchise players at S, QB, and LT? We can do that and we'll only really miss on the Tillery and Murray picks during that time. Deal?
They get a lot of these players because they don't make the playoffs and draft high. I would rather compete for SBs every year than get high draft picks. Besides for as good as James is, he is their Niang. He is always injured. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Iirc he’s the highest paid center now. It’s not nothing but I generally agree with you on the chargers. It’s organizational from the top down.