Originally Posted by Miles:
Looks like the Cards traded for a very shitty old starter in JA Happ. He has an ERA just under 7 with around a -2 WAR on the year.
Gave up Gant and a minor league reliever in Evan Sisk.
Nice work Mo.
And they traded for Jon Lester.
I’m done following this team unless the DeWitts actually spend money or try to build for the future. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Miles:
Looks like the Cards traded for a very shitty old starter in JA Happ. He has an ERA just under 7 with around a -2 WAR on the year.
Gave up Gant and a minor league reliever in Evan Sisk.
Nice work Mo.
I like it. I didn’t want them to do a damn thing. This is as close as we can get. We have a shot at a legit team next year. This years team is going nowhere. Not trading our top talent for some rental would have been a disaster. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I like it. I didn’t want them to do a damn thing. This is as close as we can get. We have a shot at a legit team next year. This years team is going nowhere. Not trading our top talent for some rental would have been a disaster.
How do you like trading for Happ and Lester?
They've been worse than Gant.
There's literally nothing of positive value, short or long term, that they got in return, aside from warm bodies.
Doing nothing is better than what they just did.
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Could be worse. The Cubs are basically the turkey carcass after Thanksgiving dinner.
They at least have hope for the future.
The Cardinals don't have anything. Period. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
How do you like trading for Happ and Lester?
They've been worse than Gant.
There's literally nothing of positive value, short or long term, that they got in return, aside from warm bodies.
Doing nothing is better than what they just did.
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my thinking was on a curve. Liberatore/Gorman for Turner would have been a normal Mo trade. So trading shit for shit is at least better than that scenerio. No one has defended Mo in this thread for over a decade. We expect incompetence and inept FA picks.
No idea why you think Liberatore, Gorman, Herrera and Thompson are trash. We also get $40 million gain in salary from the Carp and Fowler contracts. Surely Dewitt will spend that money on a bat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
The Cardinals minor league system is better stocked than the Cubs. Cubs are utterly, totally, fucked for the next half decade+.
That depends entirely on what they do in the offseason. They could very easily just go back and re-sign every single player they just traded besides Kimbrel. But the fact that they traded Kimbrel for MLB pieces makes me believe they have plans on spending in this next 2 FA periods which are pretty stacked and they have a handful of guys that are quickly rising up prospect boards.
Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
The Cardinals minor league system is better stocked than the Cubs. Cubs are utterly, totally, ****ed for the next half decade+.
Part of the reason why the Cardinals are in the situation they're in currently is because they have no one ready in Memphis pitching wise aside from maybe Liberatore-who should be worth the wait and development. Offensively, there's Gorman in Memphis, who switched positions and is taking time getting adjusted to higher quality pitching. Herrerra in Springfield also seems promising. After that it's very underwhelming.
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
my thinking was on a curve. Liberatore/Gorman for Turner would have been a normal Mo trade. So trading shit for shit is at least better than that scenerio. No one has defended Mo in this thread for over a decade. We expect incompetence and inept FA picks.
No idea why you think Liberatore, Gorman, Herrera and Thompson are trash. We also get $40 million gain in salary from the Carp and Fowler contracts. Surely Dewitt will spend that money on a bat.
Offense isn't really an issue in my mind. DeJong needs to stop playing like shit. Carpenter will be gone. Arenado/Goldschmidt/O'Neil/Carlson/Edman for the most part have been doing what's asked of them. Bader's actually hitting. Getting another bat won't hurt, but that's not the issue.
The rotation's been decimated by injury with no replacements what so ever. And they didn't go out in the offseason to invest in any solution.
Additionally, they declined Wong's option. They also are basically getting Arenado for free this season. [Reply]
Been a rough year for the Cardinals starting pitching
Being 10.5 games out with 50 to play puts the Cards in a rough spot. Desperation time is fast approaching. [Reply]
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He's just old and tired. His last 3 or so years on the Cubs you could tell he was playing on borrowed time. His hard hit rate was skyrocketing. Probably the only reason he's still going is to try and get to 200 wins and I dont even know if he gets there and he's at 196 right now. [Reply]