Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
That’s wild, amazing that in the household the transmission of quarantined people once the person was quarantined at the onset best of symptoms was 0%. I don’t understand Covid at all, and I’ve read about everything there is to read. Tells me in New York that the sewer systems or something odd caused a ton of the outbreak, just like Sars. Probably that and the subway and then of course in nursing homes you have a lot of people with close contact and weaker immune systems. Also in apartment buildings the way the air circulates is probably a huge spreader too. Hmmm....
If initial viral load correlates to the severity of the symptoms ( was a theory at one point) it would. explain why we are seeing more people with milder Symptoms With the lockdowns and masks , could be natural immunity , or change in the virus etc [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
If initial viral load correlates to the severity of the symptoms ( was a theory at one point) it would. explain why we are seeing more people with milder Symptoms With the lockdowns and masks , could be natural immunity , or change in the virus etc
They are 99% certain viral load plays a role in severity. The dots are starting to add up to what happened in New York. There are some fascinating studies from the SARS outbreak that showed many people were infected by outdated and backed up sewer system air circulating in the air in apartment buildings. Covid 19 is also prevalent in people’s sewage, and is one of the ways they can measure community spread.
Studies out of new york recently just said that people who are at home and have been quarantined are the ones that make up 60% of new patients. It’s not essential workers or even health care workers, it’s people at home. This screams an issue with sewers and air circulation which is exposing the hell out of people every breath they take in hot spots. . [Reply]
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
again, thats a CHOICE...
Not for the people who get killed by drunk drivers it isn't.
The implication of this lockdown is simple: the government now has a mandate to prevent 'excess' deaths stemming from some people's decisions effecting others which logically extends to all other activities, selfish or otherwise, causing 'excess' deaths. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
They are 99% certain viral load plays a role in severity. The dots are starting to add up to what happened in New York. There are some fascinating studies from the SARS outbreak that showed many people were infected by outdated and backed up sewer system air circulating in the air in apartment buildings. Covid 19 is also prevalent in people’s sewage, and is one of the ways they can measure community spread.
Studies out of new york recently just said that people who are at home and have been quarantined are the ones that make up 60% of new patients. It’s not essential workers or even health care workers, it’s people at home. This screams an issue with sewers and air circulation which is exposing the hell out of people every breath they take in hot spots. .
But those people at home aren't always at home. They're around people out and about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
But those people at home aren't always at home. They're around people out and about.
No, this was yesterday. They said these are literally people almost entirely quarantined. What that means I don’t know, but it was during Cuomos press conference. Your study is huge if true about household transmission, kind of makes the whole 6 feet in open air thing bull shit, except in the case of super spreaders who are shedding crazy amounts of virus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
No, this was yesterday. They said these are literally people almost entirely quarantined. What that means I don’t know, but it was during Cuomos press conference. Your study is huge if true about household transmission, kind of makes the whole 6 feet in open air thing bull shit, except in the case of super spreaders who are shedding crazy amounts of virus.
The 66% figure is kind of immaterial unless you know with certainty that all of them truly quarantined by never leaving their homes and took extreme caution in dealing with anyone who delivered supplies to them. [Reply]
Another WH staffer on the VP's team has been tested positive with Covid. So if we can't keep it out of the most secure place in the US it is going to be mostly impossible to keep it out of nursing homes or any other place for that matter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
The 66% figure is kind of immaterial unless you know with certainty that all of them truly quarantined by never leaving their homes and took extreme caution in dealing with anyone who delivered supplies to them.
I was thinking the same thing and Politicians tend to speak in general terms that can be hard to qualify. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Supposedly 900 including 200 front line workers
They did pcr testing so it wouldn’t show it they had had it and recovered though
yeah i get that...
the issue i have here is that people are shouting down the models and anyone talking about new york are the same people using mass tests showing many asymptomatic people, 30, 60 80% or whatever and saying MANY more people nationwide have this.
but they are using the testing numbers coming out of the hardest hit areas to show that also.
900 people including 200 front line workers and no positive tests in springfield should show thats not true everywhere. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis:
They are 99% certain viral load plays a role in severity. The dots are starting to add up to what happened in New York. There are some fascinating studies from the SARS outbreak that showed many people were infected by outdated and backed up sewer system air circulating in the air in apartment buildings. Covid 19 is also prevalent in people’s sewage, and is one of the ways they can measure community spread.
Studies out of new york recently just said that people who are at home and have been quarantined are the ones that make up 60% of new patients. It’s not essential workers or even health care workers, it’s people at home. This screams an issue with sewers and air circulation which is exposing the hell out of people every breath they take in hot spots. .
I know they can test for covid in stool but wasn't aware it was contagious from stool. [Reply]
