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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BleedingRed 01:54 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
no if it infects the same demographics why would it kill less in texas?
well it has killed less in Texas for example. What I'm saying is if you extrapolate the number of Texas Cases like they have done with New Yorks, and since even less people have died in Texas (by all metrics) than New York.

The Texas CFR would drop below .5 right?
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Monticore 01:56 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
well it has killed less in Texas for example. What I'm saying is if you extrapolate the number of Texas Cases like they have done with New Yorks, and since even less people have died in Texas (by all metrics) than New York.

The Texas CFR would drop below .5 right?
You can't just make stuff up, if it infect 20 people in NY and 10 people in Texas the true CFR should be the same..
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TLO 01:57 PM 04-23-2020
Everything's bigger in Texas...
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Monticore 01:58 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
well it has killed less in Texas for example. What I'm saying is if you extrapolate the number of Texas Cases like they have done with New Yorks, and since even less people have died in Texas (by all metrics) than New York.

The Texas CFR would drop below .5 right?
WE have 16 people infected and 0 deaths in my district, do you believe the CFR is 0?
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BleedingRed 01:59 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
You can't just make stuff up, if it infect 20 people in NY and 10 people in Texas the true CFR should be the same..
Maybe I'm mixing mortality rate and CFR up. But Texas Mortality Rate is lower than NY's. If more people have been infected and not died than known about the mortality rate drops.

Hence the question im asking about the info I posted.
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TLO 02:00 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
WE have 16 people infected and 0 deaths in my district, do you believe the CFR is 0?
Do you have any meat processing plants in your district?
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Discuss Thrower 02:01 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
2008 - Banks shoveled debt to people with proven records of not being able to take on the debt.
2020 - A pandemic started.

2008 - ...this somehow blindsided the economy when these people couldn't pay their mortgages.
2020 - People were asked to stay home.

2008 - People go broke and lose jobs due to the downsizing of the housing market (among other things).
2020 - People aren't able to work due to temporary closures for ~30-60 days.

2008 - People are forced to go on unemployment because they are laid off.
2020 - People are told they should go on unemployment due to the temporary closures.

2008 - ...and there's no guarantees of those jobs returning any time soon.
2020 - ...there's no hard evidence that the vast majority of jobs won't return.

2008 - Trying to return to normal, people don't have jobs and are possibly under water in mortgage debt.
2020 - Trying to return to normal, people go back to work, but are afraid of starting the 2nd wave of the pandemic.

2008 - The government sends $1000 to people who are filing bankruptcy and/or don't have jobs.
2020 - The government sends $1000 to people who are temporarily not working for 30-60 days at the jobs that still exist but are on hold.
Good effort but nope.

2008 - The government and Federal Reserve props up the domestic economy with massive debts taken on to create a hard floor on drastically inflated assets since the alternative was a total economic failure.

2020 - The government and Federal Reserve props up the domestic economy with massive debts taken on to create a hard floor on drastically inflated assets since the alternative was (is) a total economic failure.

In 2008 those assets were mortgage backed securities, their derivatives and the financial sector. In 2020 it's junk bonds, incredulously inflated equities and... the financial sector. Again.

We're already seeing layoffs in the 'safer' white collar space which will only cascade once large employers that can't make the ends meet for costs that aren't bailed out by EIDL/PPP or conventional bank lending. Those who aren't laid off are already seeing their paychecks take substantial haircuts.. as in the same thing that happened in the recovery from 2008 to 2016 as well as job creation rate that did not outpace the population rate (for reasons which should be obvious but is a topic for DC) as was the point where I linked the article from 2015 that you laughed off.

Spoiler!



But I'll just go ahead and get your response out of the way

DUNNING KRUGER DOOMSAYING FEARPORN
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stumppy 02:01 PM 04-23-2020
You get an agenda and you get an agenda and you...
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BleedingRed 02:02 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by stumppy:
You get an agenda and you get an agenda and you...
lmao speaking of people with a agenda
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O.city 02:04 PM 04-23-2020
So the NY testing was taken in mid April, so that would mean the infections were present in mid March.

So in Mid March, there were 1.8 million infections in NYC. Whats the doubling time of this one?
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BleedingRed 02:07 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
So the NY testing was taken in mid April, so that would mean the infections were present in mid March.

So in Mid March, there were 1.8 million infections in NYC. Whats the doubling time of this one?
I don't know but I would assume this is a good thing, because while more deadly for older people it not nearly as bad as once thought.

If true its sub 1% which would be some really good news.
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Donger 02:09 PM 04-23-2020
These darn old people dying and screwing up my agenda!
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Monticore 02:10 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Maybe I'm mixing mortality rate and CFR up. But Texas Mortality Rate is lower than NY's. If more people have been infected and not died than known about the mortality rate drops.

Hence the question im asking about the info I posted.
Yes it goes lower but no matter how many people get infected the true CFR should stay the same, If New York had 3 times the infections (based off the serology testing) in theory they would also get 3 times the deaths.

The CFR of Influenza also includes people who get it with already a certain immunity/herd/flu shot/previously had it, which would reduce it's CFR because it reduces the severity.

It is very hard to actually come up with true numbers because there are soo many variables.
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O.city 02:11 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I don't know but I would assume this is a good thing, because while more deadly for older people it not nearly as bad as once thought.

If true its sub 1% which would be some really good news.
For the overall population it would put it about 8 times as deadly as the flu. That's not ideal.
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Ninerfan11 02:11 PM 04-23-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
These darn old people dying and screwing up my agenda!
Well, Sweden is definitely screwing up everything right now.
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