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RodeoPants2 10:49 AM 09-11-2021
https://www.vox.com/22654167/cost-de...istan-iraq-911

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On the evening of September 11, 2001, hours after two hijacked airliners had destroyed the World Trade Center towers and a third had hit the Pentagon building, President George W. Bush announced that the country was embarking on a new kind of war.

“America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism,” Bush announced in a televised address to the nation.

It was Bush’s first use of the term that would come to define his presidency and deeply shape those of his three successors. The global war on terror, as the effort came to be known, was one of the most expansive and far-reaching policy initiatives in modern American history, and certainly the biggest of the 2000s.

It saw the US invade and depose the governments of two nations and engage in years- or decades-long occupations of each; the initiation of a new form of warfare via drones spanning thousands of miles of territory from Pakistan to Somalia to the Philippines; the formalization of a system of detention without charge and pervasive torture of accused militants; numerous smaller raids by special forces teams around the world; and major changes to air travel and border security in the US proper.

The “war on terror” is a purposely vague term. President Barack Obama famously rejected it in a 2013 speech — favoring instead “a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists.”

But 9/11 signaled the beginning of a distinct policy regime from the one that preceded it, and a regime that exists in many forms to the present day, even with the US exit from Afghanistan.

Over the past 20 years, the costs of this new policy regime — costs in terms of lives lost, money spent, people and whole communities displaced, bodies tortured — have become clear. It behooves us, then, to try to answer a simple yet vast question: Was it worth it?

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MahomesMagic 10:51 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
https://www.vox.com/22654167/cost-de...istan-iraq-911
Nope.

And Biden was all in on this as was Hillary and Kerry along with the Chimp.
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RodeoPants2 10:53 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Nope.

And Biden was all in on this as was Hillary and Kerry along with the Chimp.
Who is the Chimp?
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MahomesMagic 10:54 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
Who is the Chimp?

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RodeoPants2 10:59 AM 09-11-2021
I agree, that Biden voted to authorize the war in iraq, he should not have done so. He agrees, and changed his mind rather quickly

Kerry is a clown.

Clinton also voted for the war, also a mistake, she's more of a hawk on foreign policy than I'd like. However she also has acknowledged that it was a mistake.
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MahomesMagic 11:02 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
I agree, that Biden voted to authorize the war in iraq, he should not have done so. He agrees, and changed his mind rather quickly

Kerry is a clown.

Clinton also voted for the war, also a mistake, she's more of a hawk on foreign policy than I'd like. However she also has acknowledged that it was a mistake.
Biden has never backed down from Iraq. Well after the WMD were not found he was blathering about splitting Iraq up into different zones and occupying it for another 20 years.

He's a total moron.
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RodeoPants2 11:14 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Biden has never backed down from Iraq. Well after the WMD were not found he was blathering about splitting Iraq up into different zones and occupying it for another 20 years.

He's a total moron.
OK there's no point further engaging with someone who is this disconnected from reality
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BleedingRed 11:18 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
OK there's no point further engaging with someone who is this disconnected from reality
Are you implying we shouldnt engage you?
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MahomesMagic 11:22 AM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
OK there's no point further engaging with someone who is this disconnected from reality
Awww, did the little corporate bootlicker get her feelings hurt?
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Imon Yourside 12:21 PM 09-11-2021
Brought to you by the Uniparty of the Bushes, Clintons, Obama and our current lame duck Biden.
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RodeoPants2 01:13 PM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by Imon Yourside:
Brought to you by the Uniparty of the Bushes, Clintons, Obama and our current lame duck Biden.
President Obama opposed the iraq war from the start, it was a critical differentiator for him in the 2008 democratic primary.

He should have done more to get out of Afghanistan, aren't you glad President Biden finally got it done?
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MahomesMagic 01:17 PM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
President Obama opposed the iraq war from the start, it was a critical differentiator for him in the 2008 democratic primary.

He should have done more to get out of Afghanistan, aren't you glad President Biden finally got it done?
Obama was conveniently not in the Senate yet. Based on his later actions it is clear he was not anti-war at all but ready to do whatever the Military-Industrial complex told him to.

He was a complete phony and Citibank chose his cabinet for him.
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Prison Bitch 01:19 PM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
I agree, that Biden voted to authorize the war in iraq, he should not have done so. He agrees, and changed his mind rather quickly

Kerry is a clown.

Clinton also voted for the war, also a mistake, she's more of a hawk on foreign policy than I'd like. However she also has acknowledged that it was a mistake.

Jeezus H. You mindless drones actually think an “Oops! Sorry I did that!” exonerates these assholes.
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GayFrogs 01:22 PM 09-11-2021
It's not even an oops, hillary was critical of leaving afghanistan at all.
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Coochie liquor 01:30 PM 09-11-2021
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Jeezus H. You mindless drones actually think an “Oops! Sorry I did that!” exonerates these assholes.
Of fucking course they do. Shit, they think that despite Byrd being the leader of the KKK for years, killing, and assaulting both mentally and physically who knows how many members of the black communities, doing as much as he could to ensure the black community stayed down.... that because he much later in life and for political reasons only, said he was wrong. That he was a good guy and they’re happy he turned his life around. It’s mental gymnastics like that, they think will keep people from knowing who the party of racism is. Good old Byrd, can get away with all the bad and evil things he did to the black community, by simply denouncing his past.
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