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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>The Afghanistan lesson
El Lobo Gordo 12:33 AM 08-13-2021
Afghanistan is showing us that secular humanist societies are doomed to fall because they do not orientate the members of that society toward something that is "good".

I am not saying that the Taliban are good. I am saying that religion motivates people toward a singular purpose while secular humanism invites eventual death and destruction. The more the free west abdanons it judeo/christian faith, the more likely it is to fall.
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D.A.P. 06:47 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
nuke the whole place
Only way to be sure.
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BucEyedPea 07:12 AM 08-14-2021
The Real Afghanistan Lesson:
The What Afghanistan has inherited from US is poverty, a rising unemployment rate, the destruction of social services, the unprecedented increase in class distinctions, a wealth gap, the destruction of the middle class, a vast economic mafia network, an underground economy, increased cultivation, production, and smuggling of drugs, addiction among more than 4 million young people, an ethnic war, the collapse of good values, the growth of a culture of corruption, money laundering, and lying.

The removal of patriotic officers and generals from the Afghanistan armed forces, early retirement, the destruction of Soviet-era weapons, eventually the reliance of the Afghanistan army-like forces on NATO in a small and incapacitated subset are parts of this catastrophic American legacy.

In addition, the stunning rise of brothels, the collapse of individual morality, and prostitution, are parts of the American legacy in Afghanistan.

The United States also disappointed the people and ruined their expectations of democracy, human rights, and civil rights. The faces of America, imperialism, and postmodern-colonialism, hidden beneath American democracy and human rights, were revealed. People’s frustration with what is called American democracy and human rights are another part of American legacy in Afghanistan.


For an intellectual or even ordinary Iraqi, Libyan, and Afghan citizen, the United States is a face of aggression, bloodshed, murder, looting, and crimes against humanity. ...

Oh and Biden, never really continued the pull-out and now they have the nerve to blame Trump. It's an unpopular war, so let's see how far Democrats get with that.

I expected the Taliban to take-over after we left, just like Vietnam fell to the communists. I just NEVER considered them our enemy or a threat to the US, because they were not responsible for 9/11 just because BL was hiding there. It was a red herring and a goal post shift for propaganda. Jihadis were also hiding in the US before 9/11. BL hid in Pakistan later and we didn't bomb them. Taliban never knew BL was the mind behind 9/11 ( and he denied responsibility for it too). Even the FBI website's Most Wanted List never cited BL as being responsible for 9/11 but was wanted for the WTC attempts in the 1990's. Taliban offered to turn BL over to Bush if he provided evidence that BL was behind 9/11 but Bush rebuffed the offer. He wanted to invade and stay period.

All we had to do was break up the AQ camps in Afghanistan with bombs; then issue a warning should there be another terror attack or attempt on US mainland, that we'd be back to do it again. Instead it turned into a nation building campaign, with the progressive goal of getting rid of religious zealots, who ended the poppy trade there. But we brought poppy field production back for the opium trade. As former CIA spy Robert D Steele claimed, the CIA is involved in the drug trade. Thank George Bush for increasing opium trade's production, you criminal!


Lies. Lies. And more lies!
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BucEyedPea 07:18 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Take the biased spin out.

If there was a lesson, it is we should not spend trillions on a war we have no interest in winning, fighting over a rock populated with 4th century subhumans. Best to arm both sides and stay home.

We have not learned that lesson since Korea
Both sides?

How 'bout we just stay out of such places.
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BucEyedPea 07:19 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
What should of happened is we destroy any building that is over 2 stories tall, steal some cultural treasures for our museums and then leave. Forget rebuilding or anything like that. Simply demolish the country and leave the rubble there.
NeoCon now?
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BucEyedPea 07:21 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
I made a decision to live in the best neighborhood we could to send them to one of the top school districts in Kansas. After growing up in poverty, I wasn't about to make them go through what I did.
It's in those districts they mould kids via social engineering into socialists that hate America the most, believe it or not.
They have to change the children of bourgeoisie for the hostile take-over of America by globalist Marxists. Ya' know like the guy you voted for president.
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BucEyedPea 07:24 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by sully1983:
We should have never been there in the 1st place imo.

Afghanistan is one of the numerous Islamic shitholes in the Middle East that is still stuck in the Stone Age and they worship a pedophile that goes by the name of Muhammad. They aren't worth dealing with.
Exactly!

Nevertheless, I see the NeoCons popping up like toadstools after a Spring rain in here, with their calls for nuking the place.
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BucEyedPea 07:29 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
nuke the whole place
Ah, another NeoCon emerges. :-)
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scho63 08:35 AM 08-14-2021
Russia and the US, the two most powerful military complexes on the face of the Earth, spent over 20 years, trillions of dollars, killed thousands and lost thousands of our soldiers lives and here we are today no better than before.

It is the greatest failure of war in history.

A complete farce.

Military might will NEVER change human ideology and culture.

An expensive lesson for sure.
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BucEyedPea 08:53 AM 08-14-2021
Don't forget the British Empire also failed taking over Afghanistan too.
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MahomesMagic 08:54 AM 08-14-2021

The Taliban will be planting their flag in Kabul very soon.

20 YEARS of our "best generals" training & equipping Afghan military, spending 100s of billions of our money, for an army that folded overnight.

Still waiting for mass resignations at Pentagon. Won't hold my breath.

— Jordan Schachtel @ dossier.substack.com (@JordanSchachtel) August 13, 2021

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mac459 09:00 AM 08-14-2021
It isn’t the American military that failed, it was the leadership and politics that get involved that kept the military from rolling through.



Look at how Afghanistan and Iraq started, Rangers, Delta, SF, SEALS, Recon all rolled in took over airfields, set up operations and started taking everything out. Then in rolled the Tier 2 assets and further fucked things up. Then after the enemy was on its heels, it turned into a rebuilding mission, Rules of Engagement slowed forces down.


It should have been one year of attack like the first couple months were, then got the fuck out if we had to absolutely be there. Involving people sitting in offices 7000 miles away telling you how to go about fighting a war only fucks up the war.
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ChiefsCountry 10:01 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by mac459:
It isnít the American military that failed, it was the leadership and politics that get involved that kept the military from rolling through.



Look at how Afghanistan and Iraq started, Rangers, Delta, SF, SEALS, Recon all rolled in took over airfields, set up operations and started taking everything out. Then in rolled the Tier 2 assets and further ****ed things up. Then after the enemy was on its heels, it turned into a rebuilding mission, Rules of Engagement slowed forces down.


It should have been one year of attack like the first couple months were, then got the **** out if we had to absolutely be there. Involving people sitting in offices 7000 miles away telling you how to go about fighting a war only ****s up the war.
Got to keep the money training rolling into the DC politicos pockets.
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BucEyedPea 10:31 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Got to keep the money training rolling into the DC politicos pockets.
And the Military Industrial Complex—which then funds their campaigns. Nice little circle jerk of financial enrichment and permanent office.

It's no wonder our military leadership is corrupt and undermined Trump so often. They acted as if they ran the country's foreign policy. Yet, none of them today have even won a war. It just keeps them employed forever and well-off by joining the boards of defense contractors afterwards. Patreus, Matthis, Kelly, Esper, Milley and probably more.

Now the same jerks promote "wokeism" in the military and transgenderism surgery paid by taxpayers. They are globalists who shit on our country. The personnel in the ranks are different, but now military is being combed through to get rid of loyal patriots, who are the ones who sacrifice their lives and limbs.
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Prison Bitch 11:33 AM 08-14-2021

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Easy 6 11:49 AM 08-14-2021
Originally Posted by scho63:
Russia and the US, the two most powerful military complexes on the face of the Earth, spent over 20 years, trillions of dollars, killed thousands and lost thousands of our soldiers lives and here we are today no better than before.

It is the greatest failure of war in history.

A complete farce.

Military might will NEVER change human ideology and culture.

An expensive lesson for sure.
Exactly right, itís basically Vietnam all over again

The city people simply arenít as fervent in their beliefs, nor are they as mentally and physically toughÖ they were always gonna lose when we left
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