Originally Posted by O.city:
The Commanders are gonna have Sweat and Young coming up on FA the same time, I don't think they can or will pay both. There's you a DE if you wanna make a trade and pay.
I dont' think I would but it's there.
I wanted him but have looked at him closer and he’s a big disappointment. He’s got Young, Payne and Allen work him and he can’t produce more?
Carlos Dunlap is on pace for more sacks this year.
I mean damn. Just sign one of these vet pass rushers for cheap instead of trading for him and paying big money [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I wanted him but have looked at him closer and he’s a big disappointment. He’s got Young, Payne and Allen work him and he can’t produce more?
Carlos Dunlap is on pace for more sacks this year.
I mean damn. Just sign one of these vet pass rushers for cheap instead of trading for him and paying big money
I'd say that would probably be the way they end up going, basically, a repeat of last season.
Draft pick and a vet.
I'd rather have a vet that could give you a bit more than a year, but it is what it is. Just throw numbers at it and keep drafting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd say that would probably be the way they end up going, basically, a repeat of last season.
Draft pick and a vet.
I'd rather have a vet that could give you a bit more than a year, but it is what it is. Just throw numbers at it and keep drafting.
The thing that needs to be different from last year is that we need to target a situational rusher like Jerry Hughes, not a big plugger like Dunlap. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The thing that needs to be different from last year is that we need to target a situational rusher like Jerry Hughes, not a big plugger like Dunlap.
Given the fact that Hughes declined to be moved at the deadline and the reports were that he chose to be closer to home and that's why he signed with Houston, I wonder if we DIDN'T reach out to him.
Frankly, it's not the direction I'd have preferred anyway. Find a young vet. I really liked the idea of an RFA offer to Dorance Armstrong, for instance. We've mentioned guys like Key and Green ad nauseum. Barnett was a guy I really liked the idea of.
Give me a toolsy 26 yr old who's underperformed a little and is looking for a pillow contract for a bounce-back. Clelin Ferrell was a previous suggestion - good call. Arden Key is likely to be a FA again. Lorenzo Carter is going to be cheap, IMO and he has great tools. I really like that idea. Rasheem Green is likely to be a FA again. Could Malik Reed be a guy who's used as a situational rusher in a strict LEO sort of role? LJ Collier is a TEXTBOOK Veachlclamation Project. Ben Banogu was really interesting coming into the draft but really hasn't done shit; he wouldn't cost a thing and is worth a look, IMO.
Zach Allen has played awfully well so he's probably priced himself into 'real' player money, but if he falls through the first wave, I'd absolutely be interested in giving him Derek Barnett's deal and I think he'd be worth it and then some.
And I'm sure there are a half dozen or more that I've missed. But go find a 25-26 yr old kid coming off his rookie deal who hasn't quite gained a footing with his present team but has some stand-out attributes to put to use as a dedicated rush specialist. And as Duncan suggested, do the same at DT; someone like Dre'Mont Jones would be interesting (but he's probably gonna get a real nice deal). [Reply]
I've kicked the idea around a little bit, but to me... targeting a DT is perhaps the most cost-efficient way to upgrade the Chiefs front 4/pass rush.
I've talked about Da'Ron Payne before, but I think that's a guy that could come in, play next to Jones, and ascend even more. He has been good this year. he's stout against the run, and he's starting to make plays as a pass rusher. His abilities are a good complement to Jones', IMO.
If the Chiefs did something like that, I think they could add more of a one-trick pony at DE, whether a draft pick or a cheaper free agent, and get a lot of production out of that person. And just basically go with bodies/numbers at DE, kind of like the Ravens have done this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I've kicked the idea around a little bit, but to me... targeting a DT is perhaps the most cost-efficient way to upgrade the Chiefs front 4/pass rush.
I've talked about Da'Ron Payne before, but I think that's a guy that could come in, play next to Jones, and ascend even more. He has been good this year. he's stout against the run, and he's starting to make plays as a pass rusher. His abilities are a good complement to Jones', IMO.
If the Chiefs did something like that, I think they could add more of a one-trick pony at DE, whether a draft pick or a cheaper free agent, and get a lot of production out of that person. And just basically go with bodies/numbers at DE, kind of like the Ravens have done this year.
Of all the DLineman I could see the Chiefs making a very serious play for, Payne is #1 on the list if he's available. He's a hell of a lot like Jarran Reed and he's only 26.
That said, I fully expect Washington to franchise him this year as he's the only guy on their FA list worth doing it for. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Of all the DLineman I could see the Chiefs making a very serious play for, Payne is #1 on the list if he's available. He's a hell of a lot like Jarran Reed and he's only 26.
That said, I fully expect Washington to franchise him this year as he's the only guy on their FA list worth doing it for.
Possible for sure. I think they are at the point where they need to pick who they’re committing to, and I think Payne is third in line.
Tag and trades may be in play. Maybe even a tag and trade swap… [Reply]
If we could afford it I'd say a veteran like Hughes + a younger guy along the DL + a couple of draft picks. There's a lot of guys who'll be going out the door and a few that deserve to. Nnadi, Kaindoh, Clark, Dunlap, Herring maybe, and the practice squad DTs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dull Tools:
I heard on Time's Ours that Karlaftis had the most pressures of any rookie this year. Is that correct? Can't see it anywhere else.
2nd from what I can tell.
Travon Walker has the most. Karlaftis, Hutchinson and Ebiketie are tied at 2. 5th is Thibodeaux but he's waaaaay in back of those first 4.
He's first in hurries, but not in total pressures. Walker has 1 fewer hurry but 3 more sacks and 1 more hit.
The issue w/ Karlaftis isn't raw numbers as much as win rate. Among guys with 75 or more pass rush snaps, he's 8th in win rate behind Paschal, Clemons, Thomas, Bonitto, Thibodeaux, Ebiketie and Hutchinson. He's right there with Jackson, Walker and Enagbare.
But it could be worse - he could be Boye Mafe - man, that guys been shite. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
2nd from what I can tell.
Travon Walker has the most. Karlaftis, Hutchinson and Ebiketie are tied at 2. 5th is Thibodeaux but he's waaaaay in back of those first 4.
He's first in hurries, but not in total pressures. Walker has 1 fewer hurry but 3 more sacks and 1 more hit.
The issue w/ Karlaftis isn't raw numbers as much as win rate. Among guys with 75 or more pass rush snaps, he's 8th in win rate behind Paschal, Clemons, Thomas, Bonitto, Thibodeaux, Ebiketie and Hutchinson. He's right there with Jackson, Walker and Enagbare.
But it could be worse - he could be Boye Mafe - man, that guys been shite.
This is it. This is where he needs to be better. People keep reading the numbers how they want and talking about how he's nearly there. Sure, he is, but good QBs don't care about "nearly" being pressured or DEs "nearly" beating the OT, the ball's gone by that point.
It's also why in the draft they really need to focus on speed this year imo. If I remember people weren't hugely high on guys like Ebikitie and Bonitto and I get it, because you can't see them out there every snap. But man we need some speed and bend, I don't care what Spags "type" is or isn't, just get some juice. I think you can in R2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
This is it. This is where he needs to be better. People keep reading the numbers how they want and talking about how he's nearly there. Sure, he is, but good QBs don't care about "nearly" being pressured or DEs "nearly" beating the OT, the ball's gone by that point.
It's also why in the draft they really need to focus on speed this year imo. If I remember people weren't hugely high on guys like Ebikitie and Bonitto and I get it, because you can't see them out there every snap. But man we need some speed and bend, I don't care what Spags "type" is or isn't, just get some juice. I think you can in R2.
Agree. I've said all along - any 'issue' that people have with Karlaftis isn't really with Karlaftis. It's with his supporting cast. The Chiefs need a complementary pass rusher and 'finisher' to go with him. [Reply]