Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Lol, Skyy was the best run-blocking WR on the team. And where does the ball security issues thing come from? Don't say punt return fumbles, please. that's a dead issue after the CIN game.
Like I said, he doesn't seem to have the burst needed to get to the corner/create separation, but as a route-runner he's already better than Hardman was maybe ever, has very good hands. He should be pretty good from the slot.
But yeah, he's not Hardman, he's not going to be a Hardman replacement. For gadget-type plays, Toney is the replacement.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
Moore seems too limited to become a big contributor on a contending team's offense, to me. He seems like a slot guy who doesn't have the size to work on the outside or be much of a blocker, who hasn't really demonstrated the ability to consistently generate separation, and has ball security issues. He certainly has quickness off the line and can be a role player, but the limitations are significant. I don't think he compares favorably to Hardman.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
The book on Moore was that he projected strictly to a slot role, he has good ball skills but doesn't have elite speed and isn't a great route runner. He didn't seem to generate a lot of separation in the passing game when he was getting snaps last season so I thought it checked out.
Kind of the mirror image of MVS in some ways. MVS has the size and speed, but doesn't have great hands, is limited in the routes he can run well, etc
These guys are both nice complimentary pieces to a depth chart with a No 1 but that isn't us.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Well, your talent evaluations are very different than Veach's, Reid's, Nagy's, and Mahomes. I think I'll defer to them.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Didn’t “seem” to generate a lot of separation?
Are you high?
Moore had a lot of analysts panting about his route running coming into the draft, his separation numbers were good last year, and you can see him on tape separating from an elite DB (Derwin James) when matched up 1x1.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
There are a lot of similarities between James' game and Skyy Moore's. Undersized, quickness rather than speed, good with the ball in his hands but won't run away from defenders.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
He caught ~20 balls last year, and he has more fumbles lost than touchdowns.
I hope the guy works out, but I think we can pump the brakes on all that.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
Yeah, I'm not saying these guys are bad, but I think we have a list of guys you'd think of more as slot receivers and role players behind someone else.
We're missing the guy who could be the 1/2 punch with Kelce, a Kupp-type reliable first down WR, or someone like a Brown, Jefferson, Diggs, etc who can create problems in a lot of different ways at all levels of the defense.
If Toney can stay healthy then maybe we've got a pretty good group, but he's been hurt for the majority of his 3 seasons in the league, I don't know how you can count on that.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
If you think of an optimistic projection for Skyy Moore to become a big contributor, maybe the comp is Christian Kirk. Same sort of player, but in a good situation and with generally good QB play, had a big year. Hopefully things turn out more in that direction for Skyy.
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
He caught 20 balls largely because he was a rookie in Andy Reid's system behind veteran receivers, with a highly productive veteran playing the position he was best suited for (Smith-Schuster).
There's no need to "pump" the brakes on anything I said.
Multiple draft folks/scouts talked about his route-running and ability to separate quickly. (You can find this if you try)
His average separation/"open" numbers have been posted before (and have now been posted in this very thread)
And his tape from the Chargers game Smith-Schuster missed is available. You can watch it and see him beating Derwin James in key third-down spots when matched up 1x1 in man coverage.
Your take that he wasn't regarded as a good route runner and didn't "seem" to create separation was wildly off-target, and easily shown as such.
Originally Posted by Kiimo:
Okay he doesn't return punts anymore, fumble problem solved. He had never done it before, he isn't great at it. They made Tyreek return punts his rookie year too. Others can do that better, whatever.
The real point is, Skyy Moore gets open. It was immediately obvious from his college tape and it still is. Skyy Moore will make a great slot receiver for this team. Instead of pumping the brakes, you should pump the neighbor's dog.
Originally Posted by Razaele:
He's not playing against MAC teams in the NFL.
We all hope he can do it at this level. It remains unproven.
Originally Posted by Kiimo:
But...he is. He is doing it. We have proof. We have a year of proof. He got open the third most of all rookies in the NFL and now he needs snaps.
What are you talking about?
Just dropping these receipts off
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Originally Posted by Razaele:
Disagreeing with someone is fine, but when you shit all over them for having a different opinion they are going to remember it
Uh, none of those quotes are "shitting all over" you... not by a long shot by CP standards.
Much less dropping receipts after one game where Toney missed most of camp and none of the receivers benefited from having a HoF TE on the field.
It was a rough game, not season defining/"look at me, I knew they would suck!!" territory, no matter how desperate people are around here to be proven "right".
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