Mike Pompeo 0 0%

Greg Abbott 0 0%

Chris Christie 2 3.57%

Ted Cruz 2 3.57%

Tim Scott 2 3.57%

Nikki Haley 2 3.57%

Ron DeSantis 32 57.14%

The Donald 10 17.86%

Other 6 10.71%

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
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So that's a verbose, "No, he is not"?
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You SAY that, then immediately resort to childish flowery emotive rhetoric to express your frustration that people don't love your guy enough and don't hate the guy you hate enough, . . . still without laying out the underlying principles on which your perspective is founded.
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I'm not a strong Trumper, as you put it. But the reality, as of now, is that Trump would win and DeSantis would be too easy to knock down.
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No, it's a concise but still comprehensive way of explaining that I don't give a shit about your labels.

And your response is a concise snarky way of saying 'I cede your observation, but I still prefer my labels.'
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I think nationalism and moral conservatism has hijacked the conservative that fights for constitutionalism and more limited government and fiscal restraint. You’re free to feel that way but it loses credibility to complain about government spending and overreach.

Yes of course my view of conservatism is way more independent. I just think it’s funny when a guy like amash gets trashed largely not because he is less conservative but because he doesn’t toe the party line
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Based on what? Thats a strong pro Trump statement.

What would you see in 2024 that would make Trump a better candidate than he was when he lost in 2020?

Biden had to be as weak a candidate as the dems have run in years yet Trump failed against such a horrible opponent.

What in DeSantis' case would make him "easy to knock down"? He seems very popular in Fla, has the right stands on Vax Mandates, and manages the press very well

Trumpers tend to see every option but Trump as a bad option and see Trump as unbeatable in denial that Don got beat once.
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I'm not dumb enough to put in the effort. I tried to do this during the 1st impeachment, and realize it isn't worth the effort. No one is here making an earnest attempt at changing anyone's mind. Should I say he has a voting record I generally approve of? Or that he actually gives a fuck about his constituents and justified his every vote in writing to his constituents?
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That's an odd response to my question. It's not my label. I asked if you (and others) still consider Trump to be a conservative. Someone perked up about Mitt Romney not being a conservative, I presume because of his position on healthcare in Massachusetts. Trump in 2016 didn't exactly hold what could be considered a conservative position on government involvement in healthcare.

No it isn't. I didn't ask if you consider Trump to be any of the 'labels' which you give him.
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Is this a troll attempt?
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No. I wholly support Justin Amash. He's my favorite politician since Ron Paul, and I would have gladly voted 3rd party for him.
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Can you see the frustration. You are very passionate in your consternation that people don't see things the way you do, but you're not 'dumb enough' to explain how you see things.
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:-)

It's not a pro-Trump statement at all. It's just an acknowledgement of the current state of affairs.


The manipulations that were done by the Dems, and allowed by the courts, won't be available for the Dems again.


Biden was completely irrelevant. The 2020 election was about "Orange man bad!" and voting manipulation. And it would never have worked without the Wu Flu warping everything.

• Lack of national experience
• Similar, though lesser, aggressive approach to opposition
• Lack of a sufficient national following

I'm not a Trumper. Trump is far too much to the left for my tastes, he's too willing to cave to his opponents because he'd rather have a bad deal than no deal, I find many of his social positions to be dangerous to the country, I don't buy his "I'll lock the front door, but open the back door" approach to immigration as a viable solution. And so on.


But only fools think 2020 was a normal election where you take the normal lessons from it.
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That's a BIG ****ING LIE. Trump's administration was largely Constitutional—particularly compared to Obama and Bush. It wasn't perfect but it was largely.

And I don't believe you support Ron Paul because I watch him regularly, and through multiple presidencies and he saw through the TDSers like yourself, even when he voiced some criticism of Trump which was not across the board like you do. Paul thought the impeachments were both bogus.

If Trump did something you don't consider Constitutional, it was probably just the same things done previously for decades, since it's been eroded over time. So he followed certain things as they came to be considered Constitutional and allowable. But his admin was still largely Constitutional. No president is as Constitutional as Ron Paul is and I doubt you certain are.

Besides that, Paul has been critical of the Covid vaccines, the mandates, the masks and the draconian handlings for Covid which you are not.
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Many governors have run for office who did not have national experience. However, DeSantis was in Congress as a Representative which comes closest to national experience.

Senators don't usually have executive experience but they run.
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