Mike Pompeo 0 0%

Greg Abbott 0 0%

Chris Christie 2 3.57%

Ted Cruz 2 3.57%

Tim Scott 2 3.57%

Nikki Haley 2 3.57%

Ron DeSantis 32 57.14%

The Donald 10 17.86%

Other 6 10.71%

Not a conservative obviously. But disappointed that moral conservatism has taken a way truer conservative like Justin amash out of the picture. I think his appeal would be way broader if we got rid of this ridiculous two party system.
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Amash.

Conservative.


:-)
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This one still hurts. The greatest president we will never get.
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So what would be your 'preferred pronoun' as someone who fancies themselves as founding their principles on thinking about the merits of ideas, and considers it a superior method of divining truth, but considers 'ideology' a cancer?
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I'm laughing at that statement too. :-)

I know you can't make up the astounding lack of information leading to such ignorance to call a man who claimed to be libertarian as being a conservative—one who votes with the Democrats and suffered from TDS and who's grip on the Constitution was questionable at times.
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There are almost no actual conservatives around anymore. Amash sure as hell isn't one.


The word "conservative" today is mostly used in the same way as "liberal". It's an umbrella term used to describe a big chunk of the political spectrum, but has little direct attachment to what it once meant.
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FFS you still don't even know what Federalism is. Civics EPIC FAIL.
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Probably some form of Utilitarianism.

The Pew political typology test says the same for me:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ical-typology/
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Does anyone here still label Trump as a conservative?
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I've donated to one of Mike Lee's groups for a specific issue.

All three of those are good on the Constitution with Rand being the best. Lee is relatively good on it but not perfect. I don't know about Cruz, as much as I do Lee and Rand on the illegal immigration issues. Lee and Rand could be better. Lee is particularly week on encouraging more work visas into the US. Because I donated one to Friends of Mike Lee for one issue, they keep calling me. I told them not until he changes on immigrant work visas because he was weak on that. They just said "goodbye."

None are going to perfect. There's just no such thing.
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What do you know of DeSantis' stands on the issues that make you such a strong Trumper? You must have some insight that supports your comment?

In many ways he comes across as having very much the same philosophies on taxation and trade and environment and oil/gas production as Trump without being so polarizing
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Not if they have any clue what a conservative is.
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You're going to get [already gotten] heat for this, but let me explain my particular criticism, . . . for me it adds nothing to the conversation.

I accept the limitation I impose on myself by centering on ideas, but I also think it reasonable to observe that referring to perspectives without defining dispositive terms leads to confusion.

'A conservative like Amash' is meaningless to me, at least insofar as assessing what it means TO YOU . . . I could go out and learn everything there is possible to know about 'Amashism' and make a calculated guess about what parts of it makes it 'definitive' conservatism for you, and what makes it 'superior' conservatism. But it's still a guess.

And this ambiguity has downstream effects, because you think that people are 'rejecting' a construct in your mind, while they may be making numerous parol and unrelated assessments, regarding priorities, likelihood of success, likelihood of productive progress and many other things fairly untethered from their own construct of 'conservatism.'

For instance, when it comes to Trump -v- Cruz, or either of the Pauls, I can simultaneously hold in my head the competing facts that one might have better ideas and better compass, and another might have superior presence and presentation which leads to viability.

We are a diverse society, and premising your entire electoral standards on finding the perfect avatar, rejecting all imperfect avatars, and HOPING everyone has the exact same perspective as you, is folly. Particularly when you limit yourself to only expressing your principles in terms of avatars.

Lay out the actual IDEOLOGICAL principles that animate your passions.
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ITT people are shitting on Amash and praising Trump. Just lol at these "constitutional conservatives". Trump wiped his ass with that piece of parchment and demonstrated he doesn't know a fucking thing about it.
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He's a nationalist, an optimist, and a federalist, which are important PRINCIPLES to me, particularly in light of his opposition, and particularly for the position of POTUS.
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