Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Monticore:
They are not automatically dismissed they are just proven wrong.
Please show me proof that there are no longterm consequences. And proof that the CDC whistleblower's claim of 45,000+ unreported deaths within 3 days of injection is false.
It's really easy to side with the common narrative and to dismiss the rest as uninformed quacks, having agendas, etc, but that doesn't make it more logical. I could list 20 or 30 proven examples in which a government deceived its people. Many of which involved a blatant disregard for the common person's safety.
Yet you think it's more logical that those who are risking career suicide are being deceitful. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Please show me proof that there are no longterm consequences. And proof that the CDC whistleblower's claim of 45,000+ unreported deaths within 3 days of injection is false.
It's really easy to side with the common narrative and to dismiss the rest as uninformed quacks, having agendas, etc, but that doesn't make it more logical. I could list 20 or 30 proven examples in which a government deceived its people. Many of which involved a blatant disregard for the common person's safety.
Yet you think it's more logical that those who are risking career suicide are being deceitful.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
For 15min of fame ,YouTube views and to sell books and other products , too many.
I could've sworn that you said a few posts ago that medical professionals don't like to toy with people's lives. Now you're telling me that "too many" are willing to do just that. Interesting.
Btw, putting a video on Youtube to grab a few clicks before your profile is banned for "misinformation" seems like a really great reason to throw away your license to practice. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
I could've sworn that you said a few posts ago that medical professionals don't like to toy with people's lives. Now you're telling me that "too many" are willing to do just that. Interesting.
Btw, putting a video on Youtube to grab a few clicks before your profile is banned for "misinformation" seems like a really great reason to throw away your license to practice.
There are always exceptions and it only takes one cause a lot of harm. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I for one, would like to see this list.
For starters, you have Gulf of Tonkin, the Iran Contra Affair, Operation Mockingbird, MK Ultra (secretly dosing people with LSD), the poisoning of alcohol during Prohibition (an estimated 10,000 died), and the Tuskegee experiment in which they misled a bunch of black Southerners to believe they were being treated for syphilis, with many dying as a result. Then you have the politicians who aided the tobacco industry in suppressing the fact that smoking is linked to cancer. In 1960, it was discovered that the polio vaccine could cause cancer, but Americans weren't told and they allowed 100 million kids to receive a contaminated vaccine.
And the daddy of them all, Operation Northwoods (a plan to commit domestic terrorism and blame Cuba). Anybody who reads the declassified docs about Northwoods will think twice before blindly trusting any gov't narratives in the future. And it had the approval of the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
For starters, you have Gulf of Tonkin, the Iran Contra Affair, Operation Mockingbird, MK Ultra (secretly dosing people with LSD), the poisoning of alcohol during Prohibition (an estimated 10,000 died), and the Tuskegee experiment in which they misled a bunch of black Southerners to believe they were being treated for syphilis, with many dying as a result. Then you have the politicians who aided the tobacco industry in suppressing the fact that smoking is linked to cancer. In 1960, it was discovered that the polio vaccine could cause cancer, but Americans weren't told and they allowed 100 million kids to receive a contaminated vaccine.
And the daddy of them all, Operation Northwoods (a plan to commit domestic terrorism and blame Cuba). Anybody who reads the declassified docs about Northwoods will think twice before blindly trusting any gov't narratives in the future. And it had the approval of the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff.
I'd say 99.9% of the people refusing the vaccine have no idea and could not even articulate the accusation for a single thing on your list. I've never heard of most of them. Doesn't mean there isn't substance there, but these aren't the reasons people in general don't trust the government. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
I'd say 99.9% of the people refusing the vaccine have no idea and could not even articulate the accusation for a single thing on your list. I've never heard of most of them. Doesn't mean there isn't substance there, but these aren't the reasons people in general don't trust the government.
Well, people don’t hear about these often for obvious reasons, but I think that many at least know about the Gulf of Tonkin situation, if not one or two others.
But yeah, in general, that’s true. Most people know about the Reichstag and other dastardly things perpetrated by other governments throughout history but assume that these kinds of things don’t happen here. [Reply]
So I haven’t really read this thread entirely, but I will share my Covid story. It could be similar to others I’m not sure.
In November, I caught Covid. It was mild it wasn’t a big deal just very much like a cold. However, I never felt right afterwards. I was a little sluggish, headaches and my breathing was not up to par. Then in mid March I got hit with a baseball bat. One night I woke up sicker than I ever have and was absolutely unable to breathe. I went to the hospital they ignored me for a long time and I ended up bailing from that emergency room even against medical advice because they just weren’t attending to me. I couldn’t breathe. I went to another hospital, and they were all over me and two hot seconds. As it turns out I was septic, I had a blood clot in my lung and I had pneumonia. I stayed in the hospital for a week and then was down for a couple of months. They told me I couldn’t get the vaccine for 90 days after my stay in the hospital because I guess it’s just not a good idea for whatever reason. I was afraid to get the vaccine anyways because I hear the horror stories of you know feeling sick again and you know the side effects and what not so I just really didn’t want to get the vaccine, But I was advised that I needed to. Mainly because I was so susceptible to being kicked in the teeth by the virus that I really needed to take the punch in the arm. When the time came to get my vaccination I was still under the weather and was advised against getting it. Finally, I was in somewhat enough good health to get my first shot which I did. However during the time between the first shot and my final shot I still had a lot of Covid long-haul symptoms, especially the breathing difficulties. Then I got my second shot maybe two weeks ago, and I was ready to feel like shit. Turns out, I had no side effects outside of maybe a mild headache and ever since I’ve had the vaccine my breathing has improved by I would say at least 70 to 75%. I’m so grateful for that.
It is just beyond crazy to me this whole thing and what it’s done but maybe I’m on the mend. I sure hope so [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Actually had a very intelligent conversation the other day with someone who isn't vaccinated yet. There was a little bit of "freedom to make my own medical decisions" to talk through, but they also have a medical history that is a risk factor, plus questions about starting a family (the CDC fully admits there isn't much data on pregnancies, but the medical history also plays a role in that)... they also found it a bit concerning that a lot of what they read was slanted towards "not much has been studied on xyz, but just get the shot anyway", but they had clearly done a lot of research. They have also had Covid (and a positive test).
It was very a very refreshing conversation with someone who wasn't simply being stubborn about it or swept up in the bullshit and was open to getting it at some point.
"Actually had a very intelligent conversation the other day with someone who isn't vaccinated" :-)
hoo boy, bet he is relieved you approve.
Buddy of mine got it. Said it kicked his ass, but he recovered. Tested positive again almost two weeks ago, no symptoms. Sounds like he was fortunate that his immune system worked. [Reply]
Will be interested to see our weekly test positive % and case count today. Hospitalizations have been trending down. Perhaps we've burnt through the majority of the vulnerable population here in NW Missouri [Reply]
Originally Posted by Carlota69:
So I haven’t really read this thread entirely, but I will share my Covid story. It could be similar to others I’m not sure.
In November, I caught Covid. It was mild it wasn’t a big deal just very much like a cold. However, I never felt right afterwards. I was a little sluggish, headaches and my breathing was not up to par. Then in mid March I got hit with a baseball bat. One night I woke up sicker than I ever have and was absolutely unable to breathe. I went to the hospital they ignored me for a long time and I ended up bailing from that emergency room even against medical advice because they just weren’t attending to me. I couldn’t breathe. I went to another hospital, and they were all over me and two hot seconds. As it turns out I was septic, I had a blood clot in my lung and I had pneumonia. I stayed in the hospital for a week and then was down for a couple of months. They told me I couldn’t get the vaccine for 90 days after my stay in the hospital because I guess it’s just not a good idea for whatever reason. I was afraid to get the vaccine anyways because I hear the horror stories of you know feeling sick again and you know the side effects and what not so I just really didn’t want to get the vaccine, But I was advised that I needed to. Mainly because I was so susceptible to being kicked in the teeth by the virus that I really needed to take the punch in the arm. When the time came to get my vaccination I was still under the weather and was advised against getting it. Finally, I was in somewhat enough good health to get my first shot which I did. However during the time between the first shot and my final shot I still had a lot of Covid long-haul symptoms, especially the breathing difficulties. Then I got my second shot maybe two weeks ago, and I was ready to feel like shit. Turns out, I had no side effects outside of maybe a mild headache and ever since I’ve had the vaccine my breathing has improved by I would say at least 70 to 75%. I’m so grateful for that.
It is just beyond crazy to me this whole thing and what it’s done but maybe I’m on the mend. I sure hope so
Originally Posted by stevieray:
"Actually had a very intelligent conversation the other day with someone who isn't vaccinated" :-)
hoo boy, bet he is relieved you approve.
Buddy of mine got it. Said it kicked his ass, but he recovered. Tested positive again almost two weeks ago, no symptoms. Sounds like he was fortunate that his immune system worked.
Thanks for your morning drop in to "unite". [Reply]
Originally Posted by Carlota69:
So I haven’t really read this thread entirely, but I will share my Covid story. It could be similar to others I’m not sure.
In November, I caught Covid. It was mild it wasn’t a big deal just very much like a cold. However, I never felt right afterwards. I was a little sluggish, headaches and my breathing was not up to par. Then in mid March I got hit with a baseball bat. One night I woke up sicker than I ever have and was absolutely unable to breathe. I went to the hospital they ignored me for a long time and I ended up bailing from that emergency room even against medical advice because they just weren’t attending to me. I couldn’t breathe. I went to another hospital, and they were all over me and two hot seconds. As it turns out I was septic, I had a blood clot in my lung and I had pneumonia. I stayed in the hospital for a week and then was down for a couple of months. They told me I couldn’t get the vaccine for 90 days after my stay in the hospital because I guess it’s just not a good idea for whatever reason. I was afraid to get the vaccine anyways because I hear the horror stories of you know feeling sick again and you know the side effects and what not so I just really didn’t want to get the vaccine, But I was advised that I needed to. Mainly because I was so susceptible to being kicked in the teeth by the virus that I really needed to take the punch in the arm. When the time came to get my vaccination I was still under the weather and was advised against getting it. Finally, I was in somewhat enough good health to get my first shot which I did. However during the time between the first shot and my final shot I still had a lot of Covid long-haul symptoms, especially the breathing difficulties. Then I got my second shot maybe two weeks ago, and I was ready to feel like shit. Turns out, I had no side effects outside of maybe a mild headache and ever since I’ve had the vaccine my breathing has improved by I would say at least 70 to 75%. I’m so grateful for that.
It is just beyond crazy to me this whole thing and what it’s done but maybe I’m on the mend. I sure hope so
So sorry to hear that Carlota and I am glad you are getting better. I have read some anecdotal stories from people with long haul symptoms getting back to normal after they got the vaccine. Maybe it clears everything out. [Reply]
