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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Bearcat 12:32 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
A lot of folks appear to have an irrational fear of being "wrong."
Ain't that the truth. I'm sure there are lots of actual doctors out there who were excited to hear about some initial findings of things that could help and may have even put themselves out there as being believers... but, then it doesn't work out and those downright mature adults think, well shit, I was wrong about that, and move on.

Some people seem to think it's healthier to entrench themselves into an opinion the moment they learn about a certain thing than to "flip flop around" as you learn more. And that's basically why a lot of people hate science.
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RaidersOftheCellar 12:43 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Ain't that the truth. I'm sure there are lots of actual doctors out there who were excited to hear about some initial findings of things that could help and may have even put themselves out there as being believers... but, then it doesn't work out and those downright mature adults think, well shit, I was wrong about that, and move on.

Some people seem to think it's healthier to entrench themselves into an opinion the moment they learn about a certain thing than to "flip flop around" as you learn more. And that's basically why a lot of people hate science.
Do you people understand that no one is arguing that HCQ alone is a great treatment? Without zinc, it's practically useless. And the few studies which involve zinc have shown great promise. Anecdotal evidence is great as well. Prove me wrong.
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DaFace 12:48 PM 08-05-2021
Do you guys hear something? It's like there's an annoying fly buzzing around in here.
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Monticore 12:49 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Do you people understand that no one is arguing that HCQ alone is a great treatment? Without zinc, it's practically useless. And the few studies which involve zinc have shown great promise. Anecdotal evidence is great as well. Prove me wrong.
The experts from over 30 countries with more expertise than your guys say it doesn't work with or without zinc, we don't have to prove you wrong it has already been done by them.

You seem to think it makes more sense that it isn't being used due to a global conspiracy rather than the drug you know little about might not be as good as you think to treat a disease you know little about.
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Pitt Gorilla 01:01 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Do you people understand that no one is arguing that HCQ alone is a great treatment? Without zinc, it's practically useless. And the few studies which involve zinc have shown great promise. Anecdotal evidence is great as well. Prove me wrong.
The vaccines work. Why not focus your energy in that direction?
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Pitt Gorilla 01:03 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Maybe that's why he and I have so much trouble seeing eye to eye.

Me: "Here are a bunch of facts about the thread discussion."

Stevie: "You're a poopy face."

Checkmate, I suppose.
That's literally his contribution to this site, if you also include the cryptic non sequiturs.
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carlos3652 01:09 PM 08-05-2021
Again, regardless if all 360m people in the US are vaccinated, the 5.2 billion people around the world that are not will make the variants that we will have to deal with. Delta came from India, one from Peru, one from Brazil... people dont get it... Other countries need to get on the bandwagon or else it means nothing...

Forcing people is not the answer here.
How do you determine the difference between people who have had the shot or already have natural immunity or have already had the virus that haven't taken the shot?

You cant just put everyone in one bucket.. and say all unvaccinated are stupid.
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Bearcat 01:10 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Do you guys hear something? It's like there's an annoying fly buzzing around in here.
You could have the nicest cat wander in and it'll find its way out.

The goddamn flies get in and then never leave on their own.
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Bearcat 01:12 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Again, regardless if all 360m people in the US are vaccinated, the 5.2 billion people around the world that are not will make the variants that we will have to deal with. Delta came from India, one from Peru, one from Brazil... people dont get it... Other countries need to get on the bandwagon or else it means nothing...

Forcing people is not the answer here.
How do you determine the difference between people who have had the shot or already have natural immunity or have already had the virus that haven't taken the shot?

You cant just put everyone in one bucket.. and say all unvaccinated are stupid.
What's your solution?
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mr. tegu 01:34 PM 08-05-2021
According to this CDC chart we have less hospitalizations for the 18-49 group per 100,000 people than the same time last year.

3.6 per 100k ending 7/31/21 compared to 5.1 per 100k 8/1/20. There was less movement and openness this time last year in those numbers, but this year more openness however with vaccines, so perhaps those differences even out with 2020 and the original variant still producing more hospitalizations. But it’s hard to say based on these numbers this variant hits younger people harder than the original variant.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html

Perhaps there is other data that would support it affecting younger people different or harder than the original variant.
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suzzer99 01:38 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by DaFace:


He's trying to emphasize the importance of getting vaccinated so that we lower the risk of more variants, which is true. I can't help but wonder if we'd be better off with a new spokesman, though. I have nothing major against the guy, but there's no question that he tends to drift toward worst-case scenarios (because he's right), and that just makes people shut down.
Also the whole world is a ripe breeding ground for new variants. The US is just a tiny drop in that bucket.

The main reason is so we can fucking go back to normal and stop overloading the hospitals - which leads to severe sacrifices in other kinds of care, and traumatizing front-line health workers.
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Discuss Thrower 01:44 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
According to this CDC chart we have less hospitalizations for the 18-49 group per 100,000 people than the same time last year.

3.6 per 100k ending 7/31/21 compared to 5.1 per 100k 8/1/20. There was less movement and openness this time last year in those numbers, but this year more openness however with vaccines, so perhaps those differences even out with 2020 and the original variant still producing more hospitalizations. But it’s hard to say based on these numbers this variant hits younger people harder than the original variant.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html

Perhaps there is other data that would support it affecting younger people different or harder than the original variant.
MISINFORMATION
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RaidersOftheCellar 01:51 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The experts from over 30 countries with more expertise than your guys say it doesn't work with or without zinc, we don't have to prove you wrong it has already been done by them.

You seem to think it makes more sense that it isn't being used due to a global conspiracy rather than the drug you know little about might not be as good as you think to treat a disease you know little about.
As if you know shit about any of it. You're just parroting your chosen sources like everybody else.

It doesn't matter how much I know about the drug or the disease. I know that zinc/HCQ has had very good results. That's all that matters.

Know who might know a thing or two about it? The American Journal of Medicine, which recommends HCQ, Azithromycin, and Zinc as the most effective treatment.

But you once saw a post which said that it's ineffective with or without zinc and now you're ready to argue it to the death. :-)
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Fish 02:02 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
As if you know shit about any of it. You're just parroting your chosen sources like everybody else.

It doesn't matter how much I know about the drug or the disease. I know that zinc/HCQ has had very good results. That's all that matters.

Know who might know a thing or two about it? The American Journal of Medicine, which recommends HCQ, Azithromycin, and Zinc as the most effective treatment.

But you once saw a post which said that it's ineffective with or without zinc and now you're ready to argue it to the death. :-)
Except here's information directly from the American Journal of Medicine stating the exact opposite of what you claim:

Originally Posted by :
a number of these agents, including HCQ, have been shown to be ineffective or harmful in preventing or treating infection with SARS-CoV-2. The AJM is one of many publications to call attention to this evolving scientific information. Despite these new data, the government of Brazil continues to cite “the prestigious American Journal of Medicine” as proof that hydroxychloroquine can prevent or treat COVID-19. In other words, the Brazilian government claims that the AJM had given a seal of approval to the use of HCQ. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The AJM is neither a regulatory agency nor an arbiter of political and scientific disputes. The AJM is a vehicle of communication employed by scientists and clinicians to report information that is potentially useful to physicians throughout the world. It is completely inaccurate to claim that the AJM has endorsed a therapeutic intervention. The article that the Brazilian government quotes as “proof” of the efficacy of HCQ was posted in PubMed before studies demonstrated that HCQ does more harm than good.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002...092-9/fulltext
That quote directly refutes your claim. I'm sure you'll revise your opinion now, after being shown direct evidence from the source.... right?
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carlos3652 02:02 PM 08-05-2021
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
What's your solution?
Great question. I dont have the resources or the data to give you something that would solve this (and lets be honest, even if I had all those things, I probably wouldnt be able to as it is not my field of expertise).

We are in a Covid (non political) thread, so I would love to leave the government out of any solution.

I think too many here are focused on Unvaxxed vs Vaxxed. The comparisons between them and of course, all things equal of a singular person, having been vaxxed is beneficial to the end user in making sure their survival rate has better chances if and when they get Covid. I think that is proven.

That being said, not everyone is created the same, or has the same issues. The Vaxx maybe more harmful to some, than getting Covid. Thats a real possibility.

My personal circle has had brain clots from the J and J vaccine as well as other issues. Some, like my parents, are fine after having small side affects (My family came to the States to take the vaccine because there werent enough in Argentina)

Some already have had Covid and are immune (at least from the variant they had) - Not enough data

Some are naturally immune - Not enough data

Some are not getting the vaccination because they have certain religious beliefs.

Some are not getting the vaccination because of government trust (minorities)

Some are not getting the vaccination because they want to get pregnant or other issues and the clinical studies have not been able to be had for long term effects.

The variants are not coming from inside the US, so as far as I know Delta or Gamma or Lambda was not because of the unvaxxed in the US. (There are 100m maybe in the US, 5.4 billion worldwide?, what are the probabilities)

So I would stop blaming the unvaccinated in the US for things they have not caused. There is too much hate and finger pointing and white knighting.

* How about focusing on making sure our hospitals having what they need to support the extra influx during seasonality issues. We were not prepared to handled the extra load.

* How about focusing on better messaging (not fear porn or blaming) from our Health Professionals and transparency with the data (good or bad)

* How about focusing on the things we can control and stop blaming Red / Blue States for problems.

* Minorities are a real issue here. They have low vaccination rates. Help them get what they need by providing additional avenues.

I don't know, forcing people to take this vaccine is not the answer and dividing people or shaming people into doing it is also wrong.
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