Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
BTW, I got the J&J single shot a month ago. I drove into a parking lot, they came out, gave me the jab, I waited 15 minutes and I drove away. Never even got out of the car. No side effects, no bullshit, no big deal.
Originally Posted by loochy:
Right, but the word mRNA looks very similar to DNA...so what if they're changing our DNA?
Except it isn't changing anyone's DNA.
mRNA is basically a messenger, giving the blue print of what the infection looks like to our immune cells (T-cells, B-cells and NK cells). Then the immune cells use this blue print to train themselves as to how to attack of said infection.
Once the immune cells complete their blue print, they destroy the mRNA.
That's it. It's game over. mRNA does not go anywhere near anyone's DNA, because it is not designed to do that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
Except it isn't changing anyone's DNA.
mRNA is basically a messenger, giving the blue print of what the infection looks like to our immune cells (T-cells, B-cells and NK cells). Then the immune cells use this blue print to train themselves as to how to attack of said infection.
Once the immune cells complete their blue print, they destroy the mRNA.
That's it. It's game over. mRNA does not go anywhere near anyone's DNA, because it is not designed to do that. And it's also unethical.
BEP has a list of doctors cited from some PRETTY credible websites that say otherwise... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Coach:
Except it isn't changing anyone's DNA.
mRNA is basically a messenger, giving the blue print of what the infection looks like to our immune cells (T-cells, B-cells and NK cells). Then the immune cells use this blue print to train themselves as to how to attack of said infection.
Once the immune cells complete their blue print, they destroy the mRNA.
That's it. It's game over. mRNA does not go anywhere near anyone's DNA, because it is not designed to do that.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
This can't be a real thought/question.
loochy isn't a dumb dumb. He's not being serious. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
I was gonna say how many hundreds of thousands of people didn't get vaccinated because of six people getting blood clots back in the spring
but then I remembered it's probably not about "because of x, I'm not doing y."
Originally Posted by loochy:
Right, but the word mRNA looks very similar to DNA...so what if they're changing our DNA?
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Yes, and what if instead you got Covid and it gave you a lifetime of pain?
What are some symptoms of COVID-19 long-haulers?
Those individuals are often referred to as “COVID long-haulers” and have a condition called COVID-19 syndrome or “long COVID.” For COVID long-haulers, persistent symptoms often include brain fog, fatigue, headaches, dizziness and shortness of breath, among others. Apr 15, 2021
Originally Posted by Coach:
Except it isn't changing anyone's DNA.
mRNA is basically a messenger, giving the blue print of what the infection looks like to our immune cells (T-cells, B-cells and NK cells). Then the immune cells use this blue print to train themselves as to how to attack of said infection.
Once the immune cells complete their blue print, they destroy the mRNA.
That's it. It's game over. mRNA does not go anywhere near anyone's DNA, because it is not designed to do that.
It's a sad day when something this sarcastic and ridiculous is taken as an actual plausible option. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
You're right. It's just extremely frustrating that the selfishness of people won't let this virus stop mutating and let everyone get herd immunity going. I'm frustrated that I may still need to consider masking again since delta is here and MO is leading the way with unvaccinated people and probably those people not wearing masks anymore.
Guess they'll just have to find out the hard way that covid is way worse then getting a shot to protect yourself. [Reply]
I think at this point what I wrote months ago regarding vaccine rates is looking pretty accurate. We are at about 45% fully vaccinated and the rates are dropping quickly.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I hope people realize that herd immunity and 80-90% of the population vaccinated should not be the goal for return to normal. This things isn’t going away any time soon. Millions of people under 18 and many more adults will still be getting this thing regardless of how many adults are vaccinated. Sure it will be less numbers and less prevalent but it’s clear to me that many people are mistakenly expecting it to just sort of end. So any time I see something like we need to be doing x amount of vaccinations to have administered x amount by a certain date it’s just sort of noise and settling an unachievable goal. Once vaccine availability is there for the whole population, that’s really all that matters.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I think you will see about a 50% vaccination rate at best. Those who had the virus, most likely won’t get it. Rightfully so in my opinion. Regarding everyone else, I believe that the excitement and conversation about getting the virus reduces every day. The slow roll out is a problem in this regard. For large amounts of people who won’t even have access to it until April, May, and even June, they are going to look around and see cases and deaths being pretty minimal. By then the initial surge of momentum and excitement, combined with need, about getting the vaccine will be greatly reduced.
This seems especially likely to me because these will be the younger, healthier, and or low exposure group. If the message continues to be masks social distancing even with the vaccine, what will be their motivation? On top of that if we keep hearing about a need for boosters, which are basically a nonstarter in my view in that the vast majority won’t get them, people in those last eligible groups just aren’t going to commit to something like that in large numbers.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Just no chance. We already are at about 10% with confirmed infections. In that group perhaps 2-3% will get it? So the maximum is already about 90%. Behavioral psychology just tells me that there is a window for getting as many people to do it as possible and it’s directly correlated to the perceived threat, which will be greatly reduced by early summer.
So the question becomes is everyone, those who make and enforce rules, going to accept that 50% and just let everyone get on with returning to normal?
I really think what we are seeing now is the tanking of excitement and motivation to get vaccinated as I predicted being a problem. It has been a decline since mid April on daily vaccinations. That was the sweet spot for administering the most as it was still when cases where kind of high and masks were more prevalent. But it still wasn’t completely widely available, especially to the young and healthy low exposure groups I mentioned, not surprisingly who now seem to be the ones driving cases. They were always going to be a group with low motivation, even when things were worst. But now masks are largely gone and cases are nothing like they were and these lower risk people are not groups I see going out in droves all of the sudden to get vaccinated. Maybe we will top 55%, 60% if we do really good but I wouldn’t bet on it.
I am pleased that for the most part we have gotten to return to mostly normal, depending on location of course, despite the low rates. But I can see it’s going to take time for much of the general population to accept this. Unfortunately many of those who don’t want to get vaccinated or are hesitant for whatever reason see basically no value in the opinions of many vaccinated people and simply dig into their position further upon being approached about it. So no amount of attempting to shame or otherwise convince them will work, which a lot does have to do with perceptions of politics amongst each group. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
I'm not going back through my posts but I've said from day one I'm giving this until at least November.
Originally Posted by TLO:
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
I have friends who are awaiting full FDA approval. They aren’t terrified conspiracy theorists, they just look at the extremely low mortality rate of COVID and don’t feel motivated to run out for a vaccine that is not fully approved. Not that unreasonable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
It sucks, but it is what it is.
You call it an excuse; I call it a choice. To set the record straight I decided to get vaccinated late last fall. I'm in my mid 70's. I'm not afraid of the vaccine just as I've never been afraid of Covid-19. I basically got vaccinated to calm the fears of people whom I might meet face to face. I haven't worn a mask for a long time and I just avoid places that still require a mask. My choice, and I don't get upset at whether anyone does or doesn't. :-) [Reply]
