Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
If you mean VAERS, I'm well-aware of it. I'm also well-aware that the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are the first to be used in humans.
What are your specific concerns, and upon what facts are they based?
The lack of protocol to and research to provide facts.
I don't think there is any conspiracy or microchips but I also don't think there has been enough time to full understand any long-term effects, if any.
It's a decision I've made and I'm pretty sure I fully understand the risk/reward on both sides of the equation.
It's really that simple and this time, I'm truly done discussing it because it's such a polarizing topic that we can argue all day and night and you won't change my mind and I won't change yours.
Originally Posted by Otter:
The lack of protocol to and research to provide facts.
I don't think there is any conspiracy or microchips but I also don't think there has been enough time to full understand any long-term effects, if any.
It's a decision I've made and I fully understand the risk/reward on both sides of the equation.
It's really that simple and this time, I'm truly done discussing it because it's such a polarizing topic that we can argue all day and night and you won't change my mind and I won't change yours.
Well, it's just a fact that people have been getting stuck with the mRNA vaccines for well over a year now. None of them have grown a second head or all dropped dead, so I guess it's how you define "long-term effects." They don't alter DNA, and they break apart within a few days of injection and just leave the antibodies. So... [Reply]
Originally Posted by NotDonger:
Well, it's just a fact that people have been getting stuck with the mRNA vaccines for well over a year now. None of them have grown a second head or all dropped dead, so I guess it's how you define "long-term effects." They don't alter DNA, and they break apart within a few days of injection and just leave the antibodies. So...
Right, but the word mRNA looks very similar to DNA...so what if they're changing our DNA? [Reply]
Cases here in NW Missouri still going up. Hospitalizations going up. Positivity rate still going up. We're definitely in another surge. Just have to see how long it lasts and hope it doesn't get as bad as it was this winter. [Reply]
Of the vaccinated individuals, only 0.0027 per cent died due to COVID-19 while partially vaccinated and 0.0018 per cent died due to COVID-19 while fully vaccinated"
I guess I don't get the "just wait...more research" stuff. How long? What is the point when it's deemed "safe"?
Reminds me of a friend I had in high school that said they'd never get lasik because there's no way to know what happens 10, 20, 30 years after - so they apparently thought it had to go a full lifetime before it could be considered safe(?) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
Wonder when the fda approves it? Within a year? Then that excuse can go out the window. This new variant is taking over.
There will ALWAYS be another excuse. The people who haven't gotten the vaccine yet simply aren't going to do it. There's no amount of data you can show them. There's no well reasoned discussion you can have with them. No full FDA approval. They've made up their minds and that's it.
Originally Posted by sedated:
I guess I don't get the "just wait...more research" stuff. How long? What is the point when it's deemed "safe"?
Reminds me of a friend I had in high school that said they'd never get lasik because there's no way to know what happens 10, 20, 30 years after - so they apparently thought it had to go a full lifetime before it could be considered safe(?)
mRNA = scary!! It's too new! We don't have long term data! Even though the first people to get the jab were over a year ago, and I don't think there's a vaccine in history that has shown serious safety signals after 8 weeks. And no, myocarditis isn't a serious safety signal. It's an incredibly rare side effect that should be and WAS monitored by the FDA.
Then you tell them the J&J vaccine isn't mRNA and they say BLOOD CLOTS!!! Even though they're just about as rare as getting myocarditis from one of the mRNA vaccines.
These people aren't worried about safety. They're just full of excuse after excuse for not getting vaccinated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
NotDonger is seeming awfully similar to Donger.
That's what I thought, but upon questioning it turns out he washes his legs, doesn't mind if his neighbors hang out in their driveway/garage and does not become giddy over fluctuations in crude oil prices. Definitely NotDonger. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
Right, but the word mRNA looks very similar to DNA...so what if they're changing our DNA?
Yes, and what if instead you got Covid and it gave you a lifetime of pain?
What are some symptoms of COVID-19 long-haulers?
Those individuals are often referred to as “COVID long-haulers” and have a condition called COVID-19 syndrome or “long COVID.” For COVID long-haulers, persistent symptoms often include brain fog, fatigue, headaches, dizziness and shortness of breath, among others. Apr 15, 2021 [Reply]
