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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Otter 01:52 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
Chicago is trying to mandate it for city workers, the 3rd largest employer in the city, and at least one union is already threatening to take it to court.
Do you know if the union is pro vax or anti vax being mandated?
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Bearcat 01:54 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
  • Hipaa laws
  • Involuntary treatment cases of the past forced medical procedures being taken into account
  • Religious beliefs
  • Human rights
  • Lawyers looking for deep pockets
It's a pretty long list.

My law background consists of a business law class during my undergraduate days so I'm spit balling but I have trouble seeing lawsuits not produced from employers trying to enforce employees having something injected into their body.
It's not covered under HIPAA, as HIPAA only applies to covered entities (hospitals, etc.) in terms of the release of medical information.

There might be some gray area between the right to get vaccinated and the right to refuse employment or services on that basis, but my feeling is the former wouldn't apply to the latter.

I'm sure you're completely right in that people will sue though.
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KCUnited 01:54 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
Do you know if the union is pro vax or anti vax being mandated?
They want to mandate all city workers be vaccinate, the police union is vowing to fight it.
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lawrenceRaider 01:58 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
What countries are left when the entire world is exporting manufacturing?
Bring it home, then develop India.
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Otter 01:59 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
They want to mandate all city workers be vaccinate, the police union is vowing to fight it.
This is my gray area. I'm vaccinated BTW.

I just don't like the idea of your employer being able to enforce you inject something into your body.
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KCUnited 02:00 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
This is my grey area. I'm vaccinated BTW.

I just don't like the idea of your employer being able to enforce you inject something into your body.
They can't but they might be able to choose whether or not to employee you. Especially a public facing position like police. I guess we'll find out.
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Otter 02:03 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
It's not covered under HIPAA, as HIPAA only applies to covered entities (hospitals, etc.) in terms of the release of medical information.

There might be some gray area between the right to get vaccinated and the right to refuse employment or services on that basis, but my feeling is the former wouldn't apply to the latter.

I'm sure you're completely right in that people will sue though.
How do you prove vaccination if the employer doesn't have access to your medical records?

Photoshop and a $300 Brother printer can produce just about anything in paper or JPG.

I'd imagine you're shifting the responsibility when presenting false info but it's a messy path.
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Bearcat 02:04 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
They can't but they might be able to choose whether or not to employee you.
Exactly. And hospitals have been doing this with flu shots, TB, etc for years... even if you're not employed by them.
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wazu 02:05 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
They can't but they might be able to choose whether or not to employee you. Especially a public facing position like police. I guess we'll find out.
I would pretty much expect that any employer offering health insurance would soon be requiring proof of vaccination for that, even if the person works from home.
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Bearcat 02:10 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
How do you prove vaccination if the employer doesn't have access to your medical records?

Photoshop and a $300 Brother printer can produce just about anything in paper or JPG.

I'd imagine you're shifting the responsibility when presenting false info but it's a messy path.
They'll probably end up using something like the Clear app, which validates against registries and has you upload a DL pic to validates your identity.

I personally hate having my info in a database that's just waiting to be hacked (and you can't even delete your own info from it), but I assume that's what's coming.

And the card was the dumbest, laziest, shortsightingly thing they could have done.... even if they just wanted them easily printed out for the initial onslaught of vaccinations, they could have at least looped back to make something a bit more official and harder to duplicate.
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KCUnited 02:11 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by wazu:
I would pretty much expect that any employer offering health insurance would soon be requiring proof of vaccination for that, even if the person works from home.
Outside of ADA, if immunocompromised applies there, I tend to agree.
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Monticore 02:11 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
How do you prove vaccination if the employer doesn't have access to your medical records?

Photoshop and a $300 Brother printer can produce just about anything in paper or JPG.

I'd imagine you're shifting the responsibility when presenting false info but it's a messy path.
Employee would have to provide it and I assume forging documents would be grounds for termination. I just tell my doctor to send proof/letter to the health nurse every year.
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DaFace 02:19 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by Otter:
How do you prove vaccination if the employer doesn't have access to your medical records?

Photoshop and a $300 Brother printer can produce just about anything in paper or JPG.

I'd imagine you're shifting the responsibility when presenting false info but it's a messy path.
While it's not a universal standard, my employer requires vaccines for those in the office, and you have to verify through the CLEAR app. You scan your drivers' license, scan your face to verify you're not using someone else's ID, and scan your vaccine card. It cross-references the info on your vaccine card against the state's registry to verify.

When you use it (at your employer or at a sporting event), you scan your face again, and it generates a bar code that can be scanned. As far as I know (though I'm not sure), the only info transmitted to the employer/facility is just "Yep, this person is verified," rather than any actual info about the vaccine itself.

My guess is that places that want to be super precise about it will end up going that direction. It's what the Raiders are planning to use as well FWIW.

That said, I'm sure some will just ask for the vax card and accept that some people will try and cheat. While that sucks, the goal is to dramatically reduce the exposure. Complete elimination of exposure is pretty tough.
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KCUnited 02:20 PM 08-25-2021
CHICAGO — All city of Chicago workers must be fully vaccinated by Oct. 15, though employees can apply for medical or religious exemption, Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced Wednesday.

[...]

Workers who wish to be exempt for medical or religious reasons must get approval from the Department of Human Resources, which will consider the requests on a case by case basis, the city said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-w...182600723.html
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Otter 02:26 PM 08-25-2021
Originally Posted by DaFace:
While it's not a universal standard, my employer requires vaccines for those in the office, and you have to verify through the CLEAR app. You scan your drivers' license, scan your face to verify you're not using someone else's ID, and scan your vaccine card. It cross-references the info on your vaccine card against the state's registry to verify.

When you use it (at your employer or at a sporting event), you scan your face again, and it generates a bar code that can be scanned. As far as I know (though I'm not sure), the only info transmitted to the employer/facility is just "Yep, this person is verified," rather than any actual info about the vaccine itself.

My guess is that places that want to be super precise about it will end up going that direction. It's what the Raiders are planning to use as well FWIW.

That said, I'm sure some will just ask for the vax card and accept that some people will try and cheat. While that sucks, the goal is to dramatically reduce the exposure. Complete elimination of exposure is pretty tough.
Let's say you were employed with this entity for multiple years and they threatened to or fired you because you didn't want to comply.

I should have been a lawyer.
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