Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
The "rando" in Ohio is the attorney who is filing a lawsuit on behalf of the CDC whistleblower.
ATLANTA, Ga. — Thomas Renz, an Ohio-based attorney, said at a conference in California last weekend that he is filing a federal lawsuit on behalf of a whistleblower from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) who is claiming there are at least 45,000 deaths from one of multiple reporting systems that report to the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System (VAERS), which is maintained by the CDC.
The most recent data dump from VAERS showed 11,988 deaths, including 997 deaths among unborn babies, linked to the COVID-19 shots through July 9. That comes after jumps in the death count of 2,063 and 1,943 the previous two weeks.
But, according to Renz, that is a vast undercount of the deaths. He said with the aid of America’s Frontline Doctors that he’s filing a lawsuit on behalf of a CDC whistleblower who has apparently signed a “sworn declaration, under the threat of perjury.”
“I know based on this woman’s testimony … that there have been 45,000 deaths based on how many people died within three days of the vaccine, in just one system that’s reporting to the federal government,” Renz said. He added: “And let me tell you what, there are reportedly around 11 or 12 systems that are reporting deaths and injuries to the government.” [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
The "rando" in Ohio is the attorney who is filing a lawsuit on behalf of the CDC whistleblower.
ATLANTA, Ga. — Thomas Renz, an Ohio-based attorney, said at a conference in California last weekend that he is filing a federal lawsuit on behalf of a whistleblower from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) who is claiming there are at least 45,000 deaths from one of multiple reporting systems that report to the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System (VAERS), which is maintained by the CDC.
The most recent data dump from VAERS showed 11,988 deaths, including 997 deaths among unborn babies, linked to the COVID-19 shots through July 9. That comes after jumps in the death count of 2,063 and 1,943 the previous two weeks.
But, according to Renz, that is a vast undercount of the deaths. He said with the aid of America’s Frontline Doctors that he’s filing a lawsuit on behalf of a CDC whistleblower who has apparently signed a “sworn declaration, under the threat of perjury.”
“I know based on this woman’s testimony … that there have been 45,000 deaths based on how many people died within three days of the vaccine, in just one system that’s reporting to the federal government,” Renz said. He added: “And let me tell you what, there are reportedly around 11 or 12 systems that are reporting deaths and injuries to the government.”
Do you realize just how preposterous this reads to anyone with a functioning brain? [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Do you realize just how preposterous this reads to anyone with a functioning brain?
Do you know how preposterous it sounds to suggest that an unprecedented vaccine could be produced in less than a year and be both safe and highly effective? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Do you know how preposterous it sounds to suggest that an unprecedented vaccine could be produced in less than a year and be both safe and highly effective?
Far less preposterous than your total lack of grasp of the actual facts.
In fact, I'm starting to believe that no one could be so absolutely clueless and that your whole persona here is an act and that are in fact just a troll. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Far less preposterous than your total lack of grasp of the actual facts.
In fact, I'm starting to believe that no one could be so absolutely clueless and that your whole persona here is an act and that are in fact just a troll.
Have you looked at the thread in DC?
I doubt even those buffoons would waste that much time and energy trolling, so there's definitely a lot of morons out there. [Reply]
I saw some TV show once where they interviewed physics professors about how often they get contacted by people who think they've found an error in the theory of relativity. It's relatively often.
I remember one professor saying that he couldn't even explain to them why they were wrong because it was always so basic. They didn't understand how to convert different types of units, for example. He said they would never accept his explanation.
I think those same people have shifted their efforts from theoretical physics to vaccine studies. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Do you know how preposterous it sounds to suggest that an unprecedented vaccine could be produced in less than a year and be both safe and highly effective?
I think it's time for you to get banned from this thread [Reply]
The funny thing is that if you have 150 million people and they have a life expectancy of 78 years, then over 5,200 can be expected to die every day just due to the odds. So that's 15,600 of the 45,000. They got vaccinated and then got hit by a bus or fell off a ladder or something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
I think it's time for you to get banned from this thread
We've discussed it, and it probably isn't too far off. However, I think there's a tiny bit of value value in people who make it clear how far off the deep end a lot of anti-vaxxers are. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
The most recent data dump from VAERS showed 11,988 deaths, including 997 deaths among unborn babies, linked to the COVID-19 shots through July 9.
I'm not telling the mods what to do and obviously have no power but man when someone keeps posting obvious disinformation and refuses to listen why he's wrong he's just making the thread suck.
But Covid sucks a lot and it is 3600 pages of things sucking so maybe that's just par for the course.
but imagine at this point still bringing up the "vaccines aren't built in a year" argument that's was debunked over a year ago. SMH [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I saw some TV show once where they interviewed physics professors about how often they get contacted by people who think they've found an error in the theory of relativity. It's relatively often.
I remember one professor saying that he couldn't even explain to them why they were wrong because it was always so basic. They didn't understand how to convert different types of units, for example. He said they would never accept his explanation.
I think those same people have shifted their efforts from theoretical physics to vaccine studies.
