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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
oaklandhater 11:31 AM 05-03-2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/h...y-vaccine.html

Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.

Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.

How much smaller is uncertain and depends in part on how much of the nation, and the world, becomes vaccinated and how the coronavirus evolves. It is already clear, however, that the virus is changing too quickly, new variants are spreading too easily and vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach anytime soon.

Thanks facebook and the anti vax trash of America.
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Imon Yourside 01:51 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
No they won't. They'll get infected, and then we'll have herd immunity.

Vaccination isn't the only way to get immunity, you also have immunity from your body fighting off the virus.
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
crazy right?
Happened to me, but i'm shellfish. :-)
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BleedingRed 01:54 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by Imon Yourside:
Happened to me, but i'm shellfish. :-)

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RodeoPants2 01:55 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
It's not needed. And the downside reaction would be massive and severe.
It could very easily be needed. You don't know.
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Just Passin' By 01:55 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
No they won't. They'll get infected, and then we'll have herd immunity.

Vaccination isn't the only way to get immunity, you also have immunity from your body fighting off the virus.
Herd immunity, at least the type of such that so many seem to be talking about recently, is not happening with a virus that requires nearly the entire country to be vaccinated, requires the entire vaccinated population to get yearly booster shots, and doesn't guarantee that the vaccinated don't catch the illness.
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BleedingRed 01:55 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
It could very easily be needed. You don't know.
I don't know that you know that you don't know
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AdolfOliverBush 01:56 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
No they won't. They'll get infected, and then we'll have herd immunity.

Vaccination isn't the only way to get immunity, you also have immunity from your body fighting off the virus.
Wrong. All current evidence shows that natural immunity only last 3 months, on average.
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BleedingRed 01:57 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Wrong. All current evidence shows that natural immunity only last 3 months, on average.
Yeah no.........
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lawrenceRaider 01:58 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Wrong. All current evidence shows that natural immunity only last 3 months, on average.
Absolute bullshit. Get your fact straight Mo.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...9-what-we-know
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BucEyedPea 02:00 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Wrong. All current evidence shows that natural immunity only last 3 months, on average.
Even if so, neither does the vaccine provide immunity.

500 were dead in England recent weeks from the Pfizer shot. That's a lot for a short period of time.
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Donger 02:00 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
It could very easily be needed. You don't know.
Unless the vaccines have little to no efficacy with regard to the existing variants, yes, we pretty much do know.

We have 33 million confirmed COVID-19 cases. CDC estimates that it's more like 87 million. That's 26% of the entire population.

We are already at 44% of the population with at least one shot in them. The efficacy with just that one shot is about 70% for J&J, and about 85% for the mRNA vaccines. The second shot of the mRNA vaccines provides stunningly high protection based on the breakthrough data. And, 31.8% of the population is fully vaccinated.

Do the math.
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Donger 02:01 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Even if so, neither does the vaccine provide immunity.

500 were dead in England recent weeks from the Pfizer shot. That's a lot for a short period of time.
You don't understand what immunity means. Neat.
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BleedingRed 02:01 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Unless the vaccines have little to no efficacy with regard to the existing variants, yes, we pretty much do know.

We have 33 million confirmed COVID-19 cases. CDC estimates that it's more like 87 million. That's 26% of the entire population.

We are already at 44% of the population with at least one shot in them. The efficacy with just that one shot is about 70% for J&J, and about 85% for the mRNA vaccines. The second shot of the mRNA vaccines provides stunningly high protection based on the breakthrough data. And, 31.8% of the population is fully vaccinated.

Do the math.
I did the math, and Texas died again
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AdolfOliverBush 02:05 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Absolute bullshit. Get your fact straight Mo.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...9-what-we-know
I thought it was 3 months, but regardless, natural immunity does not make herd immunity possible.
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mr. tegu 02:08 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by NinerDoug:
Do any differences between India and Africa jump out at you?


India appears to be on fire. Does fire not kill this thing?
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mr. tegu 02:18 PM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
A general objection to the government telling us one additional thing to do does not, in this particular case, impress me as a meaningful downside when the upside is crushing COVID.

If your premise is people need to get vaccinated and mandated by government in order for things to go back to normal then you need to ask yourself who the actual entity involved in limiting your normalcy is. Your frustration is misplaced if it’s towards random people across the country.
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