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IowaHawkeyeChief 08:03 AM 05-03-2021
A good read here in case you missed it, I will put the text in a spoiler...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...his-offseason/

Spoiler!

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O.city 09:01 AM 05-03-2021
If Denver adds Rodgers, they're right there with KC.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 09:01 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Chiefs offense was better in 2020...like it was the ****ing #1 offense...we are going back to 2018.

#1 points #1 overall.
Correct... I was thinking in terms of Superbowl years...our offense will be more like 2018-2019, and our defense is way better.
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KChiefs1 09:02 AM 05-03-2021
The Athletic surveyed NFL evaluators about how the 2021 draft played out.

Front office people said they were impressed with the drafts of the Cowboys, Chargers, Giants, Jaguars, Jets, Ravens, Steelers and Vikings, among others.

The Chargers were praised for their solid first two picks, offensive tackle Rashawn Slater and cornerback Asante Samuel Jr., as well as wide receiver Josh Palmer. One front office person said he thinks all three are starters, with Palmer being a No. 2 receiver who runs excellent routes. Their second pick in the third round, Tre’ McKitty, was called “the best blocking tight end in the draft.” One predicted fourth-round pick Chris Rumph II will enhance the team with excellent technique, intelligence, savvy, athleticism and character.

RAIDERS: Raiders general manager Mike Mayock said he knew the selection of offensive tackle Alex Leatherwood with the 17th overall pick would be controversial, and he was right. Several of his peers questioned the choice.

Leatherwood was the third offensive tackle taken, but he was ranked sixth-best by one general manager. Another general manager said he was sure the Raiders were going to take Darrisaw instead of Leatherwood. Said a third, “Darrisaw would have been a more solid pick.”

Leatherwood had impressive workout numbers, but he turned off some people by being late for commitments at the Senior Bowl, one scouting director said. An evaluator said Leatherwood has the athleticism and length of the best tackles in the draft, but he doesn’t show it consistently. “Every game, he does something you question,” he said. Another said he didn’t think Leatherwood was the best fit for the Raiders’ power-blocking scheme, and that he would have been better in a zone-blocking offense.

BRONCOS: The Broncos mostly were praised for taking Surtain even though they passed a quarterback with excellent potential in Fields. “He’s the most well-rounded cornerback I’ve seen in a very long time, and he got one of the highest grades I gave a corner in a while,” one scout said. “He doesn’t have many holes.”

Cornerback wasn’t a pressing need for the Broncos, but a scout said he understood why they would take a cornerback with Patrick Mahomes in the same division. Last season the AFC West had the top-ranked passing team (Chiefs), the No. 6 passing team (Chargers) and the No. 7 passing team (Raiders).

• More than one front office person remarked that area scouts and even scouting directors had less influence than usual over the 2021 draft and were marginalized in the process.

Part of it is because they didn’t have as much valuable information as in a normal year because they couldn’t travel as much during the fall. And part of it is because they had less face time with their teams’ top decision-makers. They usually weren’t physically in their draft rooms, and in some cases, they weren’t even at their team facilities. As a result, general managers, head coaches, and even assistant coaches wielded more influence over this draft than usual.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 09:03 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
If Denver adds Rodgers, they're right there with KC.
They will have to give away the draft farm or trade 2-3 quality players on their defense to get this done... Also, Do you think Rodgers wants to compete with Mahomes the next 4 years, he has a no-trade clause?
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O.city 09:04 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
They will have to give away the draft farm or trade 2-3 quality players on their defense to get this done... Also, Do you think Rodgers wants to compete with Mahomes the next 4 years, he has a no-trade clause?
Whatever they give up, if they add Rodgers they're right there. He's arguably 1 or 2 with Mahomes right now.
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MahomesMagic 09:04 AM 05-03-2021
KC

Cleveland, Baltimore, Indy, Buffalo

Throw in Miami as a dark horse with

Parker, Fuller, Waddle, Gesicki and Tua in year 2. Adding Jaelan Phillips to their D.
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The Franchise 09:06 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
KC

Cleveland, Baltimore, Indy, Buffalo

Throw in Miami as a dark horse with

Parker, Fuller, Waddle, Gesicki and Tua in year 2. Adding Jaelan Phillips to their D.
Indy has an often injured QB that’s fumbled the ball 50+ times. And he has no LT. Indy isn’t in the picture at all.
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tredadda 09:07 AM 05-03-2021
Teams realized the way to beat KC was to rush four and drop seven into coverage. The idea was to pressure Mahomes and make it harder for receivers to get open in time. They could do this because they did not fear or respect the KC run game. The contenders felt that addressing that gave them the best opportunity to beat KC. What does KC do? They go all in on the OLine which will allow us to run the ball, which minimizes the impact of those pass rushers. They will have to dedicate more personnel to stopping the run which will open up the passing game again which Mahomes, with more time to throw, will exploit.
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KChiefs1 09:10 AM 05-03-2021
https://theathletic.com/2562306/2021...-from-1-to-32/

Eagles, Browns, Lions, Bears: Dane Brugler ranks his favorite 2021 NFL Draft classes from 1 to 32

This is my spin on grading the NFL Draft hauls for each team. Instead of handing out letter grades, I power-ranked the 32 clubs based on my favorite draft classes, from best to worst.

Originally Posted by :
1. Philadelphia Eagles

2. Cleveland Browns

3. Detroit Lions

4. Chicago Bears

5. Los Angeles Chargers

Favorite pick: Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern
Call it luck or call it smart process, the Chargers could have been pressured to trade up for the quarterback last year or the left tackle this year. But they stayed put both years and landed Justin Herbert and Slater. Regardless, job well done by Tom Telesco and his staff.

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Brenden Jaimes, OT, Nebraska
I loved what the Chargers did on Day 3, especially with Rumph and Niemann. But the value of Jaimes (pronounced HYME-iss) outside the top-150 picks was outstanding. Nebraska has a vast history of producing offensive lineman, but none started more consecutive games than Jaimes, who should at-worst be a rock-solid swing tackle. With Slater and Jaimes, the Chargers remade the tackle depth chart in one draft.

9. Miami Dolphins

11. Denver Broncos

Favorite pick: Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama
A year ago at this time, the cornerback position was a glaring question mark on the Broncos’ roster, but general manager George Paton quickly turned a weakness into a strength. With his technique, athleticism and instincts, Surtain is ready to compete vs. NFL receivers from day one.

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Jamar Johnson, FS, Indiana
The second of two safeties drafted in the fifth round, Johnson will make business decisions as a tackler, and that is an obvious concern. But his ability in coverage could earn him snaps in the nickel as a rookie.

13. Baltimore Ravens

21. Buffalo Bills

23. Kansas City Chiefs

Favorite pick: Creed Humphrey, OG/C, Oklahoma
The Chiefs focused on remaking the offensive line depth chart this offseason and that continued on draft weekend with Humphrey. Kansas City added established interior starters in free agency like Joe Thuney and Austin Blythe, and Humphrey gives them more competition and a long-term starter.

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee
Smith carried first-round grades from scouts last summer, but up-and-down senior tape and his medical background caused his freefall on draft weekend. Nonetheless, he has a unique blend of size, power and movement skills and if he becomes a starter, that shouldn’t surprise anyone.


30. Las Vegas Raiders

Favorite pick: Trevon Moehrig, FS, TCU
Leading into the draft, Moehrig seemed to be an ideal fit for what the Raiders covet at a position of need. But would they have to draft him at No. 17 to get him? Instead, they traded up to land him and his rangy ball skills at pick No. 43.

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Tyree Gillespie, DS, Missouri
They also traded up for Gillespie in the fourth. With safety such a problem area, I don’t blame Las Vegas for using multiple resources to address the issue. I wish Gillespie made more plays on the football, but his play speed and toughness are what you want at the position.

32. Houston Texans

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Hoover 09:13 AM 05-03-2021
So last year int he draft those wanting to compete with the Chiefs, all went out and added dynamic WRS. Now after the Super Bowl it's drop a bunch in coverage and be able to rush the QB so teams are adding edge rushers and corners.

The problem is the Chiefs recognize their weak spots better than anybody else. Just wait until next year when we add an EDGE and WR early in the draft.

Can't wait to see these guys on the field!
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KChiefs1 09:16 AM 05-03-2021
Denver Broncos

1 (9)
CB Pat Surtain II
Alabama
2 (35)
RB Javonte Williams
North Carolina
3 (98)
OG Quinn Meinerz
Wisconsin-Whitewater
3 (105)
LB Baron Browning
Ohio State
5 (152)
S Caden Sterns
Texas
5 (164)
S Jamar Johnson
Indiana
6 (219)
WR Seth Williams
Auburn
7 (237)
CB Kary Vincent Jr.
LSU
7 (239)
Edge Jonathon Cooper
Ohio State
7 (253)
Edge Marquiss Spencer
Mississippi State

What a roller coaster of a weekend for Broncos fans. Thursday night started out with rumors that they were landing Aaron Rodgers and ended with them passing on Fields. They are probably the most difficult team to evaluate right now, given that we don’t know how the rest of the offseason is going to play out.

If the Broncos think they have a realistic shot of acquiring Rodgers, this draft looks great. Patrick Surtain II was one of the cleanest prospects in the draft. Yes, the Broncos are deep at corner for 2021, but Kyle Fuller and Bryce Callahan are scheduled to be free agents after the season. Surtain has huge upside in Vic Fangio’s scheme. On the other hand, if the Broncos don’t think they have a realistic shot at Rodgers, then passing on Fields is a huge head-scratcher. Denver would have been a great spot for him, given the talent the Broncos have at their skill positions and the fact that Fangio pretty much always produces a competent defense. Teddy Bridgewater is a fine option as a competent starter or backup, but Fields would have been an upside swing worth taking.

As for the rest of their draft, I’m generally not in favor of trading up for running backs, but Javonte Williams is so fun to watch and could be an immediate starter. Denver deserves credit for drafting for volume with 10 overall picks. With Rodgers, they would be an immediate Super Bowl contender. The rest of the roster is underrated. Without Rodgers, they’ll be left to revisit the quarterback situation next offseason and could have regrets about passing on Fields.

Grade: B-




Kansas City Chiefs

2 (58)
LB Nick Bolton
Missouri
2 (63)
OC Creed Humphrey
Oklahoma
4 (144)
Edge Joshua Kaindoh
Florida State
5 (162)
TE Noah Gray
Duke
5 (181)
WR Cornell Powell
Clemson
6 (226)
OG Trey Smith
Tennessee

Their big draft move was trading for offensive tackle Orlando Brown. But Andy Reid and Brett Veach continued to reshape the offensive line with talented center Creed Humphrey in the second round. It’s fair to question whether using a pick on an off-ball linebacker in the second round made sense, given their limited resources, but Nick Bolton was a productive college player and should have an immediate role on the Chiefs’ defense. Clemson wide receiver Cornell Powell was a worthy flier in the fifth round.

The Chiefs didn’t have a first-round pick and selected just six players overall. Yet they very well might have come away with at least two immediate starters. That’s pretty good.

Grade: B




Las Vegas Raiders

1 (17)
OT Alex Leatherwood
Alabama
2 (43)
S Trevon Moehrig
TCU
3 (79)
Edge Malcolm Koonce
Buffalo
3 (80)
S/LB Divine Deablo
Virginia Tech
4 (143)
S Tyree Gillespie
Missouri
5 (167)
CB Nate Hobbs
Illinois
7 (230)
OC Jimmy Morrissey
Pittsburgh

Their decision to draft Alabama offensive lineman Alex Leatherwood at No. 17 was a surprise. There’s nothing wrong with avoiding groupthink, but this is becoming an annual tradition for the Raiders, and it hasn’t exactly worked out in recent years. It might have made sense to trade back even if they ran the risk of losing out on Leatherwood. There would have been other right tackles available.

I like Trevon Moehrig a lot, but it’s worth nothing that the Raiders had to execute one of the costlier trade-ups in the draft to get him. Hybrid safety/linebacker Divine Deablo was a fun third-round pick, but new defensive coordinator Gus Bradley will have to show he knows how to deploy him. Overall, this doesn’t look like a bad haul, but the Raiders desperately need some of these secondary picks to hit.

Grade: B-





Los Angeles Chargers

1 (13)
OT Rashawn Slater
Northwestern
2 (47)
CB Asante Samuel Jr.
Florida State
3 (77)
WR Josh Palmer
Tennessee
3 (97)
TE Tre' McKitty
Georgia
4 (118)
Edge Chris Rumph II
Duke
5 (159)
OT Brenden Jaimes
Nebraska
6 (185)
LB Nick Niemann
Iowa
6 (198)
RB Larry Rountree III
Missouri
7 (241)
S Mark Webb
Georgia

Anyone who’s participated in a fantasy draft knows that special feeling you get when a player you love surprisingly falls in your lap. The NFL version of that is what happened with GM Tom Telesco in the first and second rounds.

It was no secret that the Chargers needed a left tackle entering draft weekend. They were able to stay put and take Northwestern’s Rashawn Slater at 13. Then in the second round, they were able to grab playmaking corner Asante Samuel Jr., who should be a perfect fit for Brandon Staley’s zone-heavy scheme.

This is a talented roster without a lot of holes. If Justin Herbert makes a second-year leap, look out. The Chargers could become a trendy Super Bowl pick by the time September rolls around.

Grade: B+
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tredadda 09:18 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
https://theathletic.com/2562306/2021...-from-1-to-32/

Eagles, Browns, Lions, Bears: Dane Brugler ranks his favorite 2021 NFL Draft classes from 1 to 32

This is my spin on grading the NFL Draft hauls for each team. Instead of handing out letter grades, I power-ranked the 32 clubs based on my favorite draft classes, from best to worst.
One thing I seem to notice about so many of these draft grades are how well these experts score teams that draft high and how low they score teams that draft late. The simple fact is that teams like KC who draft late every round will not get the blue chip prospects that teams drafting Top 10 each round get. If our front office likes the value of what we got then I am content. Not every player will they hit on, but I do believe they will hit on more than the arm chair GMs that rate drafts.
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PHOG 09:25 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:

This is a talented roster without a lot of holes. If Justin Herbert makes a second-year leap, look out. The Chargers could become a trendy Super Bowl pick by the time September rolls around.

Grade: B+
NO!?!?!!!! :-)

:-)
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MahomesMagic 09:27 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Indy has an often injured QB that’s fumbled the ball 50+ times. And he has no LT. Indy isn’t in the picture at all.
They outplayed Buffalo in the playoffs. Lost the game when Rivers rag arm had to throw to the sidelines in the final 2 minutes instead of over the middle where they were destroying Buffalo D.

Wentz isn't great but will be equal to or better than Rivers last year under Reich.

Loaded roster with lots of good young players.
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displacedinMN 09:28 AM 05-03-2021
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
The other AFC teams were no threat to the Chiefs last year, and will not be this year. The only real threats are in the NFC.
and Carl Cheffers.
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