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displacedinMN 07:36 AM 05-02-2021
No shit sherlock. Maybe dont do crimes.

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DJJasonp 08:03 AM 05-02-2021
the commentary.........

no mention of "resisting arrest". instead, it's labeled as different races being more or less "compliant" (hinged upon the notion that cops used to be seen as always right)

I'll pose this yet again: How many people have died NOT resisting arrest?
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POND_OF_RED 08:24 AM 05-02-2021
So if youíre going with the stance that there arenít systems in place to make the sentencing and punishments unequal for different classes than please explain what makes Crack a harsher drug than Cocaine. Can you come up with a reasonable explanation that the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 86 made it a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack or up to 500 grams of cocaine. Is baking power really that dangerous?

Those numbers donít seem to make sense to most of us, but please break them down for us Sherlock.
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Katipan 08:31 AM 05-02-2021
We just did this talk and it was decided that society just likes cocaine.
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displacedinMN 08:32 AM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
So if youíre going with the stance that there arenít systems in place to make the sentencing and punishments unequal for different classes than please explain what makes Crack a harsher drug than Cocaine. Can you come up with a reasonable explanation that the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 86 made it a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack or up to 500 grams of cocaine. Is baking power really that dangerous?

Those numbers donít seem to make sense to most of us, but please break them down for us Sherlock.
I dont do drugs.

Just stories of "This thing affects POC more so it is racist" :-)
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Katipan 08:34 AM 05-02-2021
You should.
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Shields68 09:08 AM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
So if youíre going with the stance that there arenít systems in place to make the sentencing and punishments unequal for different classes than please explain what makes Crack a harsher drug than Cocaine. Can you come up with a reasonable explanation that the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 86 made it a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack or up to 500 grams of cocaine. Is baking power really that dangerous?

Those numbers donít seem to make sense to most of us, but please break them down for us Sherlock.
Must have made sense to Joe when he passed that law. Maybe he should explain it
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Al Czervik 09:16 AM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by Shields68:
Must have made sense to Joe when he passed that law. Maybe he should explain it
THIS 1000%
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RubberSponge 09:41 AM 05-02-2021
After civil rights was passed in 64 the govt. had a need to create a new slave class. In the midst of Vietnam war the CIA used that time to import southeast asian heroin into the united states. Creating what became a heroin epidemic on the east coast that the likes were never seen in this country. Enter Nixon and the modern day drug war was created. Which targeted to poor, the middle class. Which those classes have a larger % of the population being minorities. Those are classes that are unable to financially pay for competent legal representation. A private prison industry boomed to what it is today where the united states has 5% of the worlds population but 25% of worlds inmates in prison.

Through the decades since after the heroin epidemic in the late 60's into the 70's, there was crack/cocaine from the late 70's into the 80's and 90's. Then meth on a large scale. Now the opioid crisis. And in all of these instances you can find the us govt. being a large, if not the largest importer if these substances.

The govt. has created a new slave class. That class being the impoverished. They are using the drug war and the criminal justice community to insure this slave class be there.

The consequences is has brought can be easily seen in today's society. Trust of law enforcement is at all time lows. One death from the hands of law enforcement can create months of chaos and billions in property damage.

There is only one way out. Eliminate the drug war. Humans will always seek intoxicants. Thinking that drug use will someday go away or even stop the smallest usage are surely lacking in critical thinking. Quit letting the govt. make some of your fellow citizens slaves to the system. Wake the fuck up.
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POND_OF_RED 11:18 AM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by Shields68:
Must have made sense to Joe when he passed that law. Maybe he should explain it
Good luck with that. Joe can denounce his actions all he wants and act like he made a mistake, but everyone knows heís played one of the biggest parts in the oppressive system. The sooner we all realize that systemic oppression is a huge American issue and not just a left and right issue we might actually make some progress in this country.
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DJJasonp 01:28 PM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
Good luck with that. Joe can denounce his actions all he wants and act like he made a mistake, but everyone knows heís played one of the biggest parts in the oppressive system. The sooner we all realize that systemic oppression is a huge American issue and not just a left and right issue we might actually make some progress in this country.
bingo
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Bump 02:51 PM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
So if youíre going with the stance that there arenít systems in place to make the sentencing and punishments unequal for different classes than please explain what makes Crack a harsher drug than Cocaine. Can you come up with a reasonable explanation that the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 86 made it a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack or up to 500 grams of cocaine. Is baking power really that dangerous?

Those numbers donít seem to make sense to most of us, but please break them down for us Sherlock.
pretty sure crack is way more addicting, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure
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BucEyedPea 03:59 PM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
Good luck with that. Joe can denounce his actions all he wants and act like he made a mistake, but everyone knows he’s played one of the biggest parts in the oppressive system. The sooner we all realize that systemic oppression is a huge American issue and not just a left and right issue we might actually make some progress in this country.
Antifa/BLM rioter/arsonists are getting off with little to no charges but those who entered the Capitol, even after cops opened it up to them, are still be detained without bail.

Sorry, but that shows the rule of law is disappearing in this country. Systemic oppression it's now creating political prisoners. The justice system is now being weaponized, in fact all the levers of power are being weaponized, but against Americans of a certain political stripe—the American Right and soon it will be whites. It is coming, just like it did in South Africa.

Humans have a way of behaving like their former enemies or oppressors.
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Baby Lee 06:37 PM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
So if youíre going with the stance that there arenít systems in place to make the sentencing and punishments unequal for different classes than please explain what makes Crack a harsher drug than Cocaine. Can you come up with a reasonable explanation that the Anti Drug Abuse Act of 86 made it a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack or up to 500 grams of cocaine. Is baking power really that dangerous?

Those numbers donít seem to make sense to most of us, but please break them down for us Sherlock.
If you're actually asking for an explanation, . . . it's not so much as punishing different classes differently, as punishing different ancillary behaviors differently.

Crack and cocaine have the same base narcotic, but it is cheaper, more addictive, and a quicker high in crack form.

So the form of narcotic most available to the poor is also the most addictive and potent. Now if this was just a matter of 'punishing' drug use because good people shouldn't do drugs, it might seem unfair to punish the poor for being naughty more than the rich get punished for being naughty.

But the sentencing disparity arose from what type of people the crack addicted became in the community. Petty thefts, often violent, public sex acts in recompense for product, ruined real estate and property values when a crack house crops up, etc.

To be brief and blunt, cocaine use has ancillary results of messy bathroom counters and overtalkative people at parties, crack use results in muggings and break-ins and alley BJs.
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POND_OF_RED 07:13 PM 05-02-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
If you're actually asking for an explanation, . . . it's not so much as punishing different classes differently, as punishing different ancillary behaviors differently.

Crack and cocaine have the same base narcotic, but it is cheaper, more addictive, and a quicker high in crack form.

So the form of narcotic most available to the poor is also the most addictive and potent. Now if this was just a matter of 'punishing' drug use because good people shouldn't do drugs, it might seem unfair to punish the poor for being naughty more than the rich get punished for being naughty.

But the sentencing disparity arose from what type of people the crack addicted became in the community. Petty thefts, often violent, public sex acts in recompense for product, ruined real estate and property values when a crack house crops up, etc.

To be brief and blunt, cocaine use has ancillary results of messy bathroom counters and overtalkative people at parties, crack use results in muggings and break-ins and alley BJs.
If you are claiming that itís based on ancillary behaviors than those behaviors should and do carry their own punishments and shouldnít be tied together with stereotypes of common offenders. Thatís not how laws work.

Somehow youíre not connecting the dots of why those ancillary behaviors are occurring, though. Neither one is more addictive than the other. Crack is actually the weaker of the two substances and thatís why it seems more addictive. The fact is that it comes back to different classes because the lower class canít afford to get addicted to cocaine and when they are addicted donít even have money for the cheaper substance therefore end up in the streets begging for their next high.

The issue is that the people who are able to get addicted to cocaine are the children of your lawmakers and politicians. Itís all about class and youíre absolutely kidding yourself if youíre trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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