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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But he's not at the back of his drop yet. You don't 'step up' off your left foot as a righthanded QB. He'd have to just abort the drop altogether and you don't go teaching a QB to do that. He had no reason to just assume his LT would get blown by.
Like I said - IF that was a designed 5 step drop, I don't think there's any reason to tell him he should've aborted it at 3; he just couldn't have known and that will create more bad habits than it helps. And if it was 5 steps, he was screwed by the time he got to the top of it.
If it was 3 and he didn't come set, that's an issue. But I have a hard time thinking it was given that nobody's really starting their breaks yet in the pattern. It looks like a designed deep set with a couple of shot options out wide and Hill as a safety valve underneath.
His right foot is off the ground to go into his back step, so it's close. Now time wise Garrett is moving so quick, I dunno that it matters.
Again, hindsight, the biggest mistake here is probably the 2nd down play that puts you in 3rd and 10 because you're letting Garret just tee off.
And that's not gonna work out well no matter who's at LT. I don't think we should let Brown off the hook here though. [Reply]
the first sack by Joe Jackson (after Niang locked him up) is because Kelce ran the wrong route and Mahomes pulled the ball down and ran into a Blocked Jackson.
Second sack is because Mahomes set too deep in the pocket giving the rushers easy angle.
Huh? That last sack happened right when Mahomes hit the top of his drop. No way that was "set too deep" because he didn't even have time to set. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Huh? That last sack happened right when Mahomes hit the top of his drop. No way that was "set too deep" because he didn't even have time to set.
I believe he's saying his drop was too deep ie 10 yards instead of finishing at 8 or whatever. [Reply]
I guess the issue is we don't truly know what depth the play call called for.
When Mahomes gets to the top of the dropback he's 10 yards back and the Receivers on the route all have their back turned to Mahomes and seem to be running deep. pic.twitter.com/wysgN78U1x
This is where I'm not sure. If he steps up here it helps the angle, but I'm just not sure that he's actually coached to step up here. I mean, there's a massive pocket there.
Watch the play. Don't look at a still picture. There was no time for him to step anywhere. That play was DOA. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
His right foot is off the ground to go into his back step, so it's close. Now time wise Garrett is moving so quick, I dunno that it matters.
I think the video makes clear that it didn't...
If he has even an extra half second he may have been able to move up in the pocket. But both his tackles lost clean. Those are those 'bad losses' I talked about yesterday. The kind that are so quick and so thorough that they just wreck plays. There are pressures and then there are pressures.
That was one of the latter. His tackles got smoked and there just wasn't anything he could do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I believe he's saying his drop was too deep ie 10 yards instead of finishing at 8 or whatever.
And I just don't know how that could've been the case. He didn't drift and a 3 step drop doesn't make sense with those routes.
So unless it's a stride length thing (and these guys are so programmed in that regard that it seems unlikely), I'm just not sure what else you could ask from Mahomes there.
It's a deep drop from the shotgun. That's a deep set and your Ts can either bleed slowly and the play stays alive, or they can take a kill-shot a step into the play and that sort of thing happens. They didn't need to stonewall their guys, but they can't get beat that badly that quickly either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And I just don't know how that could've been the case. He didn't drift and a 3 step drop doesn't make sense with those routes.
So unless it's a stride length thing (and these guys are so programmed in that regard that it seems unlikely), I'm just not sure what else you could ask from Mahomes there.
It's a deep drop from the shotgun. That's a deep set and your Ts can either bleed slowly and the play stays alive, or they can take a kill-shot a step into the play and that sort of thing happens. They didn't need to stonewall their guys, but they can't get beat that badly that quickly either.
A five step drop from the shotgun is pretty damn deep though. I'm not familiar with those patterns of dropping though, so I can't comment much on it but theoretically, at 3 yards in the gun a five step drop puts you at 10 yards atleast.
From the gun, I don't really know why you would ever drop more than 3 yards. I know timing wise they like to time it up, but you're in the gun and giving the QB more time to use his eyes than a center drop. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Watch the play. Don't look at a still picture. There was no time for him to step anywhere. That play was DOA.
I believe Mahomes said in post conference that he went to far back on that play himself. So at least in public he is taking some of the responsibility for that one. [Reply]
That play should be a touchdown too. It's the Mecole vs the Ravens play where Hill and Hardman line up close to each and Hill runs a deep crosser and Hardman runs up the hashes. Safety has to pick one of them to cover. Real bummer it didn't work out [Reply]