Honestly, I’d rather keep him along the interior where he is elite. But Stout mentioned that the base DL is Jones and Clark on the edges with Reed and Nnadi along the interior.
That’s a big risk the team is taking, and the early returns in spot duty last year were not encouraging.
But Stout mentions that Jones has slimmed down a ton as well, clearly prepared to take a stronger role at RDE.
Maybe the most important thing to watch for our defense.
He also mentions Humphrey is your starting center. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
Obviously it's all matchups, however let's hold off from definitively saying "this is how it's going to be" when we literally won't know until the bullets start flying in Week 1.
That is from Spags himself, but I’m sure you know what his plan is better than he does. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
How many ****ing times does it have to be explained to you that this is dependent on matchups?
JFC it’s like some of you don’t even pay attention to what is being said, you just keep saying the same shit over and over again.
The Chiefs will do that against running teams, not passing teams. If the Chiefs are daring you to pass, it’s because they don’t believe you can beat them that way. This isn’t ****ing rocket science.
If the Browns want to try to beat us throwing the ball as opposed to running it, by all means, go right on ahead. I also don’t believe that our pass rush drops off THAT much.
Even run first teams like the Browns and Ravens are smart enough to exploit that kind of stuff.
You can design this for matchups but what happens when the QB audibles to a pass?
Again there are flaws to this plan and there’s nothing wrong with discussing them. I hope Chris doesn’t play much DE bc he isn’t good at bending the edge as one.
We’ve seen this team try new things and that’s great. Sometimes it’s not worked out at all [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I'm really late to this thread, but I hope the move to DE works out. I think Jones' unique strength is his burst up the middle and power. He doesn't bend at corners like a classic edge rusher.
He's unique in that he's not built like a classic tackle, but he seems too big to be a 4-3 end. I wonder if that's part of his magic, in that he's not like any other guys that offensive linemen see on film.
But I worry a little bit about him at end. Tackles are going to be quicker against his burst, and after that it's going to be all about power, where it helps to be lined up closer to the QB.
He’s not going to be asked to be an edge rusher. He will still be rushing from the interior the majority of passing downs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC: Even run first teams like the Browns and Ravens are smart enough to exploit that kind of stuff.
You can design this for matchups but what happens when the QB audibles to a pass?
Again there are flaws to this plan and there’s nothing wrong with discussing them. I hope Chris doesn’t play much DE bc he isn’t good at bending the edge as one.
We’ve seen this team try new things and that’s great. Sometimes it’s not worked out at all
I’ll take my chances with Pat and our offense against Baker or Lamar trying to get it done through the air. How could you look at either of those teams and not understand why forcing them to go away from the run early would be a good thing? [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I’ll take my chances with Pat and our offense against Baker or Lamar trying to get it done through the air. How could you look at either of those teams and not understand why forcing them to go away from the run early would be a good thing?
If I’m the Browns I don’t give a shit where Chris Jones is lined up. I’m running again and again and again bc Neimann is likely starting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
We actually don't have to speculate much about what Spags might do given such-and-such formations and line ups. Jones has already played DE in a game for us under Spags, and he was lined up in most of the same sets Kpass was.
Here's hoping they coach him up there, because he wasn't great.
staylor already responded, but I'm going to double down on him.
There is a LARGE, LARGE, LARGE difference between sticking a guy at DE for one game in the middle of the season, when your DE group has been decimated by injury - they were missing Okafor, that's the game where Ogbah got hurt (IIRC), and Frank Clark was dinged up. It was before they signed Suggs. Some might even say that's an ENORMOUS difference from:
Planning for him to play outside from the beginning of the season
Having him adjust his body and conditioning to play snaps on the outside
Adjusting the scheme (again, it's flat-out dumb to think they're going to run the same stuff they've been running, exactly as they've been running it, with a leaner Jones instead of Kpassagnon or Danna). They're going to make some schematic changes to take advantage of what Jones does/can do. If they come out and try to line up Jones at 6+ gap and it doesn't work, I'll criticize the approach right alongside you. But WHY would they run it that way? No reason to think they would.
I know you like to have things to freak out about and question the team about, but YOU'RE the one who needs to pump the breaks on worrying about this until we see it in a game (rather than telling all the rest of us we know how it's going to go, and we should stop defending until we see it in a game). [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
He’s not going to be asked to be an edge rusher. He will still be rushing from the interior the majority of passing downs.
This is the exact opposite of what was discussed all week on 610 and 810.
Jones wants to be a DE full time and says he plans on dominating. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Lol no. He’s absolutely not going to be a DE full time. There are photos with him lining up inside next to Reed from OTA’s.
Spags himself has even said whether he plays DE or not will depend on matchups.
OTA photos don't mean much. I was just stating what Jones wants and thinks he is capable of. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Halfcan:
OTA photos don't mean much. I was just stating what Jones wants and thinks he is capable of.
Those words of what a player thinks they are capable of reminds me a bit of DT's positional move to the "Falcon" position of DE/LB in 1997 or 98. He promised 20+ sacks that year.
We know how that turned out. I have more faith in this coaching staff and this set of players than I ever had in the past.
Let the professionals figure it out and just enjoy the game. [Reply]
I think people are reading way too much into this...KC signing Reed is allowing them to experiment. They also lost K-Pass so they might be seeing if Jones can fill in..if an injury occurs.
Giving Reed a ton of reps, in a new defense, during OTAs probably has a lot to do with this also..
They arent going to play the 2nd best DT in the NFL out of position much...unless there is a mismatch they might try to exploit.
That said... it would be cool if it works out but its an entirely different position...the odds are pretty slim. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG K:
Those words of what a player thinks they are capable of reminds me a bit of DT's positional move to the "Falcon" position of DE/LB in 1997 or 98. He promised 20+ sacks that year.
We know how that turned out. I have more faith in this coaching staff and this set of players than I ever had in the past.
Let the professionals figure it out and just enjoy the game.
I am not under the illusion that my opinion matters to Spags-lol
We got very limited production from the left side last year- if they think Jones can bullrush the OT and smash him back into the QB's throwing lane on a regular basis, I am all for it. He couldn't be any worse than KPass.
