Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'd like to see some communications from people that actually have the sickness right now. I'd like to see how many feel like death, how many are slightly sick, etc. I keep reading "oh, most people only experience minor symptoms." Is minor like a common cold or is minor like the full blown flu without hospitalization?
From everything I've read, it varies from case to case.
The biggest issue with COVID-19 isn't that "X amount of people die from the flu every year, so what's the big deal?", it's that when this sucker hits a patient hard, that patient needs a ventilator and such to have a chance to survive, and there simply isn't enough equipment or beds available for tens of thousands of people, let alone, millions.
There are so many "Ifs" out there, too. You'll most likely be okay if you get the virus IF you're healthy and IF your immune system isn't compromised.
But IF you're elderly or IF you have pre-existing conditions like asthma or COPD or any other lung disease or IF you have Diabetes Type I or IF you have high blood pressure that isn't controlled by meds or IF you have cancer or IF you're doing chemotherapy or radiation or IF you're not healthy, your risk of getting the disease is much greater, as is the risk of dying.
That's a lot of IFS and most of them are pretty shitty. [Reply]
Barstow School in KC closed today and tomorrow heading into spring break. They're making plans for classes to go online after break if necessary. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MOhillbilly:
My oldest daughter STEM robotics team qualified for worlds. Had to break the news to her that it’s probably not going to be an option.
I'm so sorry, Brother. That's really an amazing feat - I mean, really, really awesome! - and I'm sure she's heartbroken. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
I'd like to see some communications from people that actually have the sickness right now. I'd like to see how many feel like death, how many are slightly sick, etc. I keep reading "oh, most people only experience minor symptoms." Is minor like a common cold or is minor like the full blown flu without hospitalization?
You can show no symptoms for 2-weeks. So you could go around spreading it and you don't even know it.
So this virus has the potential to infect a ton of people. So while most people will survive because there is no vaccine it has the potential to kill a lot of people.
Another issue this also has the potential to have a devastating effect on the economy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kman34:
My daughter is a teacher at a local school district and is about to go on spring break.... She says it’s looking more like the kids aren’t coming back to school after the break.. Kids were told to take their devices and chargers home during break. Learning may be done on lab tops for awhile..
Originally Posted by wazu:
In KC?
It’s not the Kansas City Schools but a large School District in the northland.. I’d rather not say until things fall into place... not set in stone yet but close.. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Ah I took it to mean they are already talking about start of the actual playing season given the suspensions in other sports leagues.
What they do with the draft will be interesting to see but I fail to see any world where it's "business as usual" in September.
Yeah, the start of the new league year is meaningless in terms of the fans and physical contact, so I don't see any reason why that would be delayed or cancelled given the technology we have today to interact with one another.
And while the grandeur of the draft would be slightly affected, the bottom line is that the league earns its money from the draft via TV and more importantly, Prime Time TV.
While we most likely won't see 20ish players at the draft walk onstage, the other 300 or so watch from home so outside of the people in attendance, it should be business as usual. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
You can show no symptoms for 2-weeks. So you could go around spreading it and you don't even know it.
So this virus has the potential to infect a ton of people. So while most people will survive because there is no vaccine it has the potential to kill a lot of people.
Another issue this also has the potential to have a devastating effect on the economy.
I know. That's not what I'm requesting. I'm requesting some kind of daily logs from infected people (of all sorts). [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Delusional thinking.
Goodell is such a great leader. Teams are pulling their scouts back but no NFL mandate. Other leagues and companies are cancelling events but NFL stays silent when it comes to FA start etc [Reply]
It's a double edged sword, because when people who are close to retirement lose their entire retirement portfolio who is going to take care of them then? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Bah I don't wanna go stock up on shit at the store, I hate doing that.
Me, neither, but I'm heading out shortly, just in case school is cancelled for a few weeks.
The good thing is that the freeways are dead in LA, which is absolutely freaking bizarre. I've never heard this town so quiet, not after Northridge, really never. It's really, really weird.
The bad thing is that it might be futile, as there's probably been a run on the stores this morning. Costco opens at 10am and I'm heading up shortly but I'm expecting an epic disaster. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
It's a double edged sword, because when people who are close to retirement lose their entire retirement portfolio who is going to take care of them then?
It's not lost unless you cash out. It'll bounce back you know... [Reply]
