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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Are you going to take the vaccine?
GloryDayz 08:48 AM 12-01-2020
I know I'm going to try to be first in line, but what about the rest of you? I'm not sure if the death count is where the science community wants it to be, plus Birdbrain hasn't been sworn in, so I expect there will be delays, but that's beside the point.

You can be honest.
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VAChief 08:40 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Donger loves those Dachau-trained sources and advisors.
Your projection is showing Frau Himmler.
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Fish 08:56 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Bowser:
No, about 30K have died from Covid. The other 600K had Covid in their systems at the time of their death. There is a difference.
But how do you possibly explain the other 600K number though, regardless of cause? I mean, the excess death rate has been very steady for decades. We're currently looking at an insane increase of excess deaths, regardless of cause. Why the dramatic increase if not covid? It cannot all be coincidence. Take the average of flu season over the last 5 years, and compare it to the current excess deaths. Even given the difference between "Died from covid" vs. "Died having covid in their system" you're left trying to explain away the cause of over 500K deaths that don't normally occur on average.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html
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ThaVirus 09:01 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
But how do you possibly explain the other 600K number though, regardless of cause? I mean, the excess death rate has been very steady for decades. We're currently looking at an insane increase of excess deaths, regardless of cause. Why the dramatic increase if not covid? It cannot all be coincidence. Take the average of flu season over the last 5 years, and compare it to the current excess deaths. Even given the difference between "Died from covid" vs. "Died having covid in their system" you're left trying to explain away the cause of over 500K deaths that don't normally occur on average.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html
With the country on lockdown and/or heavy restrictions too.

I haven't seen any numbers, but I'd imagine car crash deaths, homicides, etc. were way down in that time frame.
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Discuss Thrower 09:03 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
With the country on lockdown and/or heavy restrictions too.

I haven't seen any numbers, but I'd imagine car crash deaths, homicides, etc. were way down in that time frame.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-...to%20September

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime...des-rose-2020/
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ThaVirus 09:09 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-...to%20September

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime...des-rose-2020/
I couldn't read the second one, but I stand corrected. Pretty crazy.
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Just Passin' By 09:19 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
But how do you possibly explain the other 600K number though, regardless of cause? I mean, the excess death rate has been very steady for decades. We're currently looking at an insane increase of excess deaths, regardless of cause. Why the dramatic increase if not covid? It cannot all be coincidence. Take the average of flu season over the last 5 years, and compare it to the current excess deaths. Even given the difference between "Died from covid" vs. "Died having covid in their system" you're left trying to explain away the cause of over 500K deaths that don't normally occur on average...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html


You should post the numbers for each year over, say, the last 20 years.
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MahomesMagic 09:25 PM 05-24-2021
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess...tries-in-2020/

Problem with data is it is easy to manipulate.

Here is what Oxford did.

And we can see that this killer virus with no lock downs or masks there was no excess death in under 75 years old in Sweden.

Maybe now we can see better the impact of lockdowns and panic killing people.
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Fish 09:32 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
You should post the numbers for each year over, say, the last 20 years.
Here's going back several more years. My point stands. You're welcome to try and provide some contrary evidence. But you won't...



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

Current excess death numbers cannot be waved away. And it's not like the US is the only country experiencing this....
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Fish 09:36 PM 05-24-2021
Fake flu deaths?

Russia’s Pandemic Excess Death Toll Passes 460K

UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s last year

Excess deaths associated with covid-19 pandemic in 2020: age and sex disaggregated time series analysis in 29 high income countries
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Bowser 09:40 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
But how do you possibly explain the other 600K number though, regardless of cause? I mean, the excess death rate has been very steady for decades. We're currently looking at an insane increase of excess deaths, regardless of cause. Why the dramatic increase if not covid? It cannot all be coincidence. Take the average of flu season over the last 5 years, and compare it to the current excess deaths. Even given the difference between "Died from covid" vs. "Died having covid in their system" you're left trying to explain away the cause of over 500K deaths that don't normally occur on average.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html
That first bump in the graph is oaklandhater's boner at the news of old people dying, I believe.

I firmly believe deaths were misreported or reported in error. Not the entire lot of them, but certainly a chunk.
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Fish 09:51 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Bowser:
That first bump in the graph is oaklandhater's boner at the news of old people dying, I believe.

I firmly believe deaths were misreported or reported in error. Not the entire lot of them, but certainly a chunk.
Even discounting the average yearly number of regular flu deaths, the US has easily seen half a million more excess deaths over the past 12 months compared to the average. Half a million deaths is a lot to just wave away without any explanation...
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Just Passin' By 10:09 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
Here's going back several more years. My point stands. You're welcome to try and provide some contrary evidence. But you won't...



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

Current excess death numbers cannot be waved away. And it's not like the US is the only country experiencing this....

You posted only a 4 year spread. It's not meaningless, but it's close to it.
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Fish 10:12 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
You posted only a 4 year spread. It's not meaningless, but it's close to it.
This is exactly the "contrary evidence" I expected from you.
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Just Passin' By 10:17 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by Fish:
This is exactly the "contrary evidence" I expected from you.
I asked for a long enough span of years to put this one in context, and used a reasonable 20 year span in my request, and you gave me 4 years, which you surely aren't too fucking stupid to realize is nowhere near enough data to be of any real significance in a comparison.


Now, instead of just saying something intelligent and accurate like "Good point, I'll find more", or "It's all I could find", or something like that, you decided to be an asshole about contrary evidence to a stat that's all but completely meaningless without more context.


Yeah, try flipping your failure onto me, that's brilliant work.


:-)
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cosmo20002 10:19 PM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
That's an oversimplified generality pushed by the Big Med/Big Pharm complex. It shows close mindedness and bigotry. Of course, it was the AMA that was found guilty of smearing them, one of their competitors, and they were found guilty of that in law suit over it back in the 1980's.

They do a good job on my neck where my headaches originate; keeps them at bay. MDs could only prescribe drugs; never found the cause. The less prescription drugs you take, and even non-prescription, the healthier you will be.

I'll have you know it was a chiropractor who found my food allergies when regular MDs diagnosed me as sick after feeling my glands, but could find no pathology after blood work. It was a different chiro, who also specialized in allergies, that asked to see the same blood work which led her to order a specific blood test of 40 foods, that found the allergies. An elimination diet handle the symptoms. Her father was an MD.

They go to school just as long as MDs. It's just a different approach and your spine is related to your immunity.
His son is in Med School.
There's just so much in this post.:-)
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BucEyedPea 05-24-2021, 10:20 PM
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