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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>2024 WR Class
Couch-Potato 08:45 PM 10-10-2023
Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like?

1st - 2nd RD WR Targets:

Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.45
Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.35
Xavier Legette, SC, 6-4, 225, 4.29
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.47
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.29
Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48
Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31

*This entire class is tall WTF?
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Chris Meck 07:11 PM 11-12-2023
LOL

Apparently I'm the thread killer. I'm just going to not talk about anything WR related on the board anymore.
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Coogs 08:31 PM 11-12-2023
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
LOL

Apparently I'm the thread killer. I'm just going to not talk about anything WR related on the board anymore.
I'm right there with you on growing our own. I don't know if you watched the two highlights I posted, but Coleman and Franklin make some serious contested catches. I'm guessing they aren't always covered, but our offense seems to require guys who can make contested catches. Those two guys seem to be able to do just that. And have some wheels to go with that skill.
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O.city 10:43 PM 11-12-2023
Look for guys that separate, not contested catch guys

They’ve whiffed at wr with Toney and moore so they’re gonna have to go pay for some talent
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Couch-Potato 05:46 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
The issue is, if we pay Chris Jones, there won't be any 1k FA WR pick-up. You just can't.

Now, if you let Jones walk, you get a 3rd comp. That's not much return. If you tag him again with a try to trade him, it ties the money up. If you tag him and play him, it means no big FA spending.

You've got a lot of guys up for FA. Some you're going to let go, some you're going to pay. There's just not going to be a lot of money.

I'm afraid we're going to have to grow our own here.
I think you're probably right, we've already seen its difficult to attract top WR talent with what we can offer, which WRs do you like in the draft?
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Coogs 05:57 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
Look for guys that separate, not contested catch guys

They’ve whiffed at wr with Toney and moore so they’re gonna have to go pay for some talent
I think these guys can seperate. They can make contested catches too!
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Chris Meck 06:15 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
I think you're probably right, we've already seen its difficult to attract top WR talent with what we can offer, which WRs do you like in the draft?
I like Franklin and Worthy.

But I haven't gotten into much college ball this year, or seen mocks to guesstimate when guys might go.

I have seen a lot of chatter that this is a really good draft for WR's, QB's, and OT's, though.

We need two of the three.
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DenverChief 08:26 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
The issue is, if we pay Chris Jones, there won't be any 1k FA WR pick-up. You just can't.

Now, if you let Jones walk, you get a 3rd comp. That's not much return. If you tag him again with a try to trade him, it ties the money up. If you tag him and play him, it means no big FA spending.

You've got a lot of guys up for FA. Some you're going to let go, some you're going to pay. There's just not going to be a lot of money.

I'm afraid we're going to have to grow our own here.
I haven't looked - how many FA's do we have coming up this year?
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O.city 08:52 AM 11-13-2023
They'll tag and trade Jones.

I don't know that going and paying a FA WR makes sense, the ones that are gonna hit the market are older.

I'd guess they go draft one high or trade a pick and pay one.
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OKchiefs 09:07 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
They'll tag and trade Jones.

I don't know that going and paying a FA WR makes sense, the ones that are gonna hit the market are older.

I'd guess they go draft one high or trade a pick and pay one.
There are some younger ones available. Higgins and Pittman will both command a lot of money, so not sure that's viable here.

Marquise Brown or Darnell Mooney would probably be a little lower on salary (maybe not by much) and would probably fit what they're looking for in KC.

Yes, they need to develop their own, but I don't think you can just throw a draft pick at it and pray for the best again. We already know that a draft pick is probably going to take half the season to get acclimated (or more), do we really want to go into week 1 2024 with a nearly identical group to what KC has now?

I think the best course of action is to spend a 1st/2nd on WR and then grab a halfway decent one in FA (Mooney, Brown, or maybe Ridley). Add those to Rice and Kelce and I think you already have made a significant improvement on the 2023 group. If either Toney or Moore finally amounts to anything at all then it's just icing on the cake, but I wouldn't count on it with either.

MVS will be gone next year and Watson will likely still be around because of his salary, but if we start 2024 with Justin Watson getting starting reps again then something went terribly wrong.
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O.city 09:17 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
There are some younger ones available. Higgins and Pittman will both command a lot of money, so not sure that's viable here.

Marquise Brown or Darnell Mooney would probably be a little lower on salary (maybe not by much) and would probably fit what they're looking for in KC.

Yes, they need to develop their own, but I don't think you can just throw a draft pick at it and pray for the best again. We already know that a draft pick is probably going to take half the season to get acclimated (or more), do we really want to go into week 1 2024 with a nearly identical group to what KC has now?

I think the best course of action is to spend a 1st/2nd on WR and then grab a halfway decent one in FA (Mooney, Brown, or maybe Ridley). Add those to Rice and Kelce and I think you already have made a significant improvement on the 2023 group. If either Toney or Moore finally amounts to anything at all then it's just icing on the cake, but I wouldn't count on it with either.

MVS will be gone next year and Watson will likely still be around because of his salary, but if we start 2024 with Justin Watson getting starting reps again then something went terribly wrong.
They've decided to pay the OL. Everyone hoping next years WR group is drastically different than this years is gonna be in for some rude awakenings.

They need the cheap labor from draft picks to work out. So yeah, keep drafting them.

I'd love to trade our first and a pick next year to the 9ers for Aiyuk or make a big swing. But I'm guessing they continue to build this way as the QB continues to get expensive.
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OKchiefs 09:35 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
They've decided to pay the OL. Everyone hoping next years WR group is drastically different than this years is gonna be in for some rude awakenings.

They need the cheap labor from draft picks to work out. So yeah, keep drafting them.

I'd love to trade our first and a pick next year to the 9ers for Aiyuk or make a big swing. But I'm guessing they continue to build this way as the QB continues to get expensive.
Doesn't mean they'll continue that trend of paying the OL. Thuney and Taylor are likely both here through 2025. Thuney won't (and shouldn't) remain beyond 2025, Taylor can be cut after that year with minimal dead money. Not sure they pay both Smith and Creed, likely pay one of them and will backload the contract like they usually do. Yes there is a lot of investment at OL but not prohibitively so that they can't make other moves, particularly if they move on from Chris Jones.

I can see Darnell Mooney going for maybe $17 million a year tops. If we can pay $12 million a year to MVS they can probably manage to pay a little more for a better player.

Depending on how the rest of the year goes I just don't see how KC, and Mahomes in particular, are happy going into 2024 with mostly the same group. If Moore or Toney somehow steps up a bit in the 2nd half of the year then maybe they don't have to have a wholesale overhaul, but if we continue to see Rice as the only consistent option at WR it's putting a lot of eggs in one (rookie) basket to hope that we get another hit at WR where our track record has been extremely bad at finding talent in the draft.
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O.city 10:30 AM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Doesn't mean they'll continue that trend of paying the OL. Thuney and Taylor are likely both here through 2025. Thuney won't (and shouldn't) remain beyond 2025, Taylor can be cut after that year with minimal dead money. Not sure they pay both Smith and Creed, likely pay one of them and will backload the contract like they usually do. Yes there is a lot of investment at OL but not prohibitively so that they can't make other moves, particularly if they move on from Chris Jones.

I can see Darnell Mooney going for maybe $17 million a year tops. If we can pay $12 million a year to MVS they can probably manage to pay a little more for a better player.

Depending on how the rest of the year goes I just don't see how KC, and Mahomes in particular, are happy going into 2024 with mostly the same group. If Moore or Toney somehow steps up a bit in the 2nd half of the year then maybe they don't have to have a wholesale overhaul, but if we continue to see Rice as the only consistent option at WR it's putting a lot of eggs in one (rookie) basket to hope that we get another hit at WR where our track record has been extremely bad at finding talent in the draft.
I just don't see paying a mid tier WR 20ish million dollars as the way forward. I'd look around at older guys who wanna come on for a ring chasing type thing before I'd do that.

They've gotta draft their stars. Point blank.

It's too expensive to go elsewhere to do it at this point.
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O.city 11:00 AM 11-13-2023
If the Chargers cut Keenan Allen, I'd sign him in a heartbeat though.
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Chris Meck 01:23 PM 11-13-2023
Originally Posted by DenverChief:
I haven't looked - how many FA's do we have coming up this year?
A shitload.
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O.city 01:28 PM 11-13-2023
That's what happens when you draft well and develop guys.

Gonna have to keep doing it.
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