I thought I'd split this off from the mega thread, because that's kind of the smack talking section arguing with Philly fans and Diqlix's mults.
But all of you Spags haters really should ante up here with YOUR scheme and game plan for the Super Bowl.
Personally, I'd like to see a Hurts spy on every play, but not the SAME spy every play. A mix of Gay, Sneed from the slot, maybe Cook or Reid from a SS type spot. I want a different lurking spy at all times.
If I'm blitzing, I'm coming A and B gaps. Our DE's have got to be mindful of containment.
Probably not a game where you're going to see a lot of sacks from outside unless we get out to a big lead early. Their defense is really good, so I'm not expecting that.
Other than a spy, Just keep showing one thing pre-snap and doing another post. I think you can confuse Hurts. But if he's unsure, he's going to take off, and you'll want that spy to neutralize. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Hence the quotes.
The main defense of Jones here, is that he doesn't get sacks, tfl, or other stats, because he's always double to tripled, and that it is merely the failure of everyone else around him to do anything that causes poor performance.
If Jones being shown that much attention was the case, we should have some clean linebacker looks at the backfield, that for some reason Steve Spagnuolo can't take advantage of.
You have to remember who is in the discussion here.
It's one or the other. Either Jones is the destroyer of worlds and Steve can't capitalize, or Jones isn't really all that, and his first game he destroyed, he did it against a MASH o line unit.
The one consistent thing stands though. No DEs in single coverage in the redzone.
Tell us you know nothing about football without telling us you know nothing about football. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Hence the quotes.
The main defense of Jones here, is that he doesn't get sacks, tfl, or other stats, because he's always double to tripled, and that it is merely the failure of everyone else around him to do anything that causes poor performance.
If Jones being shown that much attention was the case, we should have some clean linebacker looks at the backfield, that for some reason Steve Spagnuolo can't take advantage of.
You have to remember who is in the discussion here.
It's one or the other. Either Jones is the destroyer of worlds and Steve can't capitalize, or Jones isn't really all that, and his first game he destroyed, he did it against a MASH o line unit.
The one consistent thing stands though. No DEs in single coverage in the redzone.
Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y), updated through 11/11.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Okay, so your first idea is to take our MLB and run him up Jonesy's ass every down. Now, I'm not opposed to a MLB blitz now and then, but it seems like all the Eagles have to do is run the other way and now we've got less guys flowing to the ball if we're going to do that the majority of the time.
Doing anything every down is foolish. If youre being intentionally obtuse here, there's no point in continuing. Linebackers that are kept clean by dominant DL soaking 2-3 shoukd be able to affect the game. However, the Kansas City Chiefs quite often get gashed right up the middle, despite Thanos desperately snapping his fingers repeated on the d line.
As for your second idea, what I'm understanding is that you are opposed to zone blitzing as a concept. But you're FOR blitzing our MLB as a base scheme. So what you would prefer is to NOT drop guys into passing lanes and just give the QB a clean look. See, the idea of a zone blitz isn't so much that you expect a DE to cover a WR so much as it is to make the QB think, "Wait, what?" and that extra half a second allows your slot corner to sack him before he realizes that's a DE over there and not the corner he was expecting. So, most of the time when you see a Sneed sack, or a Mcduffie sack/pressure or what have you, there was a lineman or LB jumping over in coverage to give the QB a cover look.
We pulled that shit on a kid in his first divisional playoff in the most hostile environment imaginable, and guess what Chris? Trevor Lawrence didn't think wait, what? He just threw a td pass to his #1 wr as easy as shitting water. Jalen Hurts, the media darling for MVP, you want to try that against him. The only wait, what? Will be how does Steve have a job doing this dumb shit.
So instead of that, you would prefer to rush five and drop the usual 6 into coverage while leaving the middle of the field essentially open with no MLB there. Of course, if it's a run play, all they have to do is run to the side Jones and Bolton are NOT on, and they win the numbers game for an easy gain.
Not saying that play isn't a good idea for a specific play call-in fact, you'll almost certainly see that very play more than once in the Super Bowl, but I don't know that using as your base defensive concept is the best idea. There are certainly holes that a smart offensive coordinator would have no issues with exploiting.
Once again, doing anything every down isn't going to work. Especially blitzing. However, if Jones is the destroyer of worlds that everyone says he is, our stud LB should certainly have had more opportunities for drive wrecking plays, rather than tallying up the 2nd most tackles in football 5-7 yards psst the line.
And that's the rub, really, isn't it? Anytime you actively DO something, you leave yourself open to getting screwed if the offensive play is designed in such a way as to exploit that opening.
Hence the OP.
If we employ the Lamar Jackson defense in this game, we win by 2 scores. Hurts can't throw that great with a shoulder likely requiring surgery. Their offense is rushing tds, all year.
Contain the checkdowns as he did against Burrow, not allowing those free 5-8 yards, stop the run and make Hurts beat you with that torn up shoulder.
Don't blitz every down, and don't put des on #1wr FOR ANY REASON.
The best defense in this game is Patrick Mahomes. Get out ahead 10-14 points, they have to throw, and their house of cards comes tumbling down. Just like Tennessee with Henry, and Baltimore with Lamar.
The excuses will be flying about his shoulder not being right, but we win handily if Hurts has to throw 35+ times. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I think we can all agree that we obviously need to stop the run.
Got any ideas how we might accomplish that?
I guess there's so many people critical of Spags and the scheme, I figured people would be chomping at the bit to tell us all what they'd do differently.
This is the type of game that Nick Bolton and Leo Chenal excel at. Downhill and make the tackle.
I watched the last years game and man Spags had excellent blitzes when needed on key downs.
Jalen Hurts has never had a playoff game put directly in his hands to determine the outcome. Spags is gonna force that to happen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
If we employ the Lamar Jackson defense in this game, we win by 2 scores. Hurts can't throw that great with a shoulder likely requiring surgery. Their offense is rushing tds, all year.
Contain the checkdowns as he did against Burrow, not allowing those free 5-8 yards, stop the run and make Hurts beat you with that torn up shoulder.
Don't blitz every down, and don't put des on #1wr FOR ANY REASON.
The best defense in this game is Patrick Mahomes. Get out ahead 10-14 points, they have to throw, and their house of cards comes tumbling down. Just like Tennessee with Henry, and Baltimore with Lamar.
The excuses will be flying about his shoulder not being right, but we win handily if Hurts has to throw 35+ times.
Hurts injury is an SC sprain. Same injury Hill had in '19. No surgery. Just rest. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
Hence the quotes.
The main defense of Jones here, is that he doesn't get sacks, tfl, or other stats, because he's always double to tripled, and that it is merely the failure of everyone else around him to do anything that causes poor performance.
If Jones being shown that much attention was the case, we should have some clean linebacker looks at the backfield, that for some reason Steve Spagnuolo can't take advantage of.
You have to remember who is in the discussion here.
It's one or the other. Either Jones is the destroyer of worlds and Steve can't capitalize, or Jones isn't really all that, and his first game he destroyed, he did it against a MASH o line unit.
The one consistent thing stands though. No DEs in single coverage in the redzone.
Man racks up 15.5 sacks, is in the running for Defensive POY, and has been a dominant game-wrecker in the playoffs this year... and you're still questioning?
The sacks thing is a fluke. Jones made multiple game-affecting plays in SBLIV that the Chiefs lose without, including a few batted passes.
As Orlando would say... put some respect on his name. [Reply]
I really liked what spags did bringing the ILBs up the A/B gaps to get CJ single teamed.
One thing that I would like to see is a play on that where the LB has a read option to come if the center commits to doubling Jones or drop into a robber zone/spy role if the center leaves CJ singled. Put Jason in conflict and adjust to his decision. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
I really liked what spags did bringing the ILBs up the A/B gaps to get CJ single teamed.
One thing that I would like to see is a play on that where the LB has a read option to come if the center commits to doubling Jones or drop into a robber zone/spy role if the center leaves CJ singled. Put Jason in conflict and adjust to his decision.
They used a few disguised blitzes on Sunday and they used even more simulated blitzes (where they showed blitz but backed out into coverage on the snap). [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wallcrawler:
For starters I'd utilize Jones "always drawing 2-3" linemen
every down to free up Bolton to get in behind and destroy the run/rush the passer.
I mean the concensus is Bolton is really good, and Jones always has at least 2 on him. If Spags can't take advantage, that's a DC problem there.
Also, I probably wouldn't put George Karlaftis in single coverage on AJ Brown in the redzone.
Just a couple ideas there.
This happened how many times? You can’t seem to let this die. [Reply]
D signal caller: Kirk is OBVIOUSLY there for pass pro. No way their #1Wr runs a route here. We good. No check needed.
What? Are you under the impression that Spags is changing defensive calls after the offense lines up or something?
Karlaftis was meant to drop into a zone, a concept that teams all over the league run. Jags just had the right call at the right moment. It's fucking football it happens. But you say it like Spags intentionally lined up Karlaftis to 1v1 a receiver in the end zone. You know damn well he did not.
Lou Anarumo gets heralded as some defensive savant for dropping DE's into coverage against Mahomes, but Spags is a moron for doing it every once in awhile?
Originally Posted by tredadda:
This happened how many times? You can’t seem to let this die.
Because he hates Andy Reid and he hates Steve Spagnuolo. Hating either of them is completely irrational so don't expect him to behave like a rational person. [Reply]
