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Nzoner's Game Room>Why Frank Clark is a problem for the Kansas City Chiefs
Direckshun 08:48 AM 05-18-2021
Yikes:



Summary of the video's arguments -- some of which are argued better than others:

1. Never fully healthy.
2. This chart:



3. We ranked in the bottom 3rd in 2020 in passrush despite dropping major coin along the DL.
4. 6 sacks in 2020 -- there was a 7 game stretch where he had 1, and 2 sacks in the last 10 weeks of the season.
5. He doesn't change the run defense all that much.
6. 2020 postseason was "pedestrian" -- 9.8% pressure rate.
7. All of this despite being slotted next to Chris Jones.
8. As you can see in the above chart, Clark is rarely double teamed.
9. The Chiefs didn't restructure Clark this offseason, because they don't want to make it harder than it needs to be to cut him after 2021 -- saves $13m.
10. 2021 is a make-or-break year for Clark.

The good news is that Jarran Reed, like Chris Jones, is a beast in "sacks created," which should help our edge rush.
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scho63 12:00 PM 05-18-2021
Frank Clark takes a too wide arc every time he rushes. Poor form and he is 2-3 seconds too late 99% of the time.
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jettio 12:03 PM 05-18-2021
Brendan Daly is one of the best d-line coaches in the NFL and Steve Spagnuolo is one of the best defensive coordinators. Let's ask them.
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Pitt Gorilla 12:04 PM 05-18-2021
Myles Garrett is so, so good.
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Gary Cooper 12:04 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by scho63:
Frank Clark takes a too wide arc every time he rushes. Poor form and he is 2-3 seconds too late 99% of the time.
Dee Ford would do that all the time.
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htismaqe 12:07 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Anyone want to tell me how we win the super bowl with LJ Collier instead? Clark's contract sucks but it's not like it didnt allow us to make Thuney the highest paid guard in the league or revamp our O-line while also signing a stud pass rushing DT to boot.
Without Frank Clark they could have signed Thuney AND replaced Frank Clark. Duh.
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RealSNR 12:09 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Anyone want to tell me how we win the super bowl with LJ Collier instead? Clark's contract sucks but it's not like it didnt allow us to make Thuney the highest paid guard in the league or revamp our O-line while also signing a stud pass rushing DT to boot.

If we didn’t do the Clark trade that doesn’t necessarily mean we pick Collier.

And nobody is saying Clark didn’t contribute to our Super Bowl. We’re saying he needs to do more if he wants to stick around next year
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Wilson8 12:18 PM 05-18-2021
As good as the Chiefs are, with getting to an AFC Championship in 2018-2019, winning the Super Bowl in 2019-2020, and playing in the Super Bowl in 2020-2021, we can be better. One way to improve is with a better pass rush.

Frank Clark – Michigan/Seahawks/Chiefs, Age 28, HT 6-3, WT 260, Arms 34 3/8”
2020 – 15 GMS, 29 TKL, 6 Sk, 2 PD, 15 QBHits|2019 – 14 GMS, 37 TKL, 8 Sk, 4 PD, 14 QBHits

Chris Jones – Mississippi St/Chiefs, Age 27, HT 6-6, WT 310, Arms 34 1/2”
2020 – 15 GMS, 36 TKL, 7.5 Sk, 4 PD, 2 FF, 28 QBHits2019 – 13 GMS, 36 TKL, 9 Sk, 4 PD, 1 FF, 20 QBHits

Derrick Nnadi – Florida St/Chiefs, Age 25, HT 6-1, WT 312, Arms 33 1/2”
2020 – 15 GMS, 47 TKL, 0 Sk, 1 QBHits|2019 – 16 GMS, 48 TKL, 1 Sk, 2 QBHits

Mike Pennel – Arizona St/Packers/Jets/Chiefs, Age 30, HT 6-4, WT 330, Arms 33 3/8”
2020 – 14 GMS, 29 TKL, 0 Sk, 1 QBHits|2019 – 8 GMS, 24 TKL, 1 Sk, 1 PD, 1 FF, 1 QBHits

Khalen Saunders – W Illinois/Chiefs, Age 25, HT 6-0, WT 324, Arms 33 1/2”
2020 – 3 GMS, 3 TKL, 0 Sk, 0 QBHits|2019 – 12 GMS, 22 TKL, 1 Sk, 1 PD, 1 QBHits

Alex Okafor - Texas/Cardinals/Saints/Chiefs, Age 30, HT 6-4, WT 261, Arms 34”
2020 – 11 GMS, 16 TKL, 3 Sk, 1 FF, 10 QBHits|2019 – 10 GMS, 22 TKL, 5 Sk, 5 PD, 1 FF, 9 QBHits

Tanoh Kpassagnon - Villanova/Chiefs, Age 27, HT 6-7, WT 289, Arms 35 5/8”
2020 – 16 GMS, 28 TKL, 1 Sk, 3 PD, 4 QBHits|2019 – 16 GMS, 29 TKL, 4 Sk, 2 PD, 1 FF, 11 QBHits

Taco Charlton – Michigan/Cowboys/Dolphins/Chiefs, Age 26, HT 6-6, WT 270, Arms 34 1/4”
2020 – 7 GMS, 7 TKL, 1 FF, 4 QBHits|2019 – 10 GMS, 21 TKL, 5 Sk, 2 FF, 5 QBHits - Miami

Tershawn Wharton – Missouri S&T/Chiefs, Age 23, HT 6-1, WT 280, Arms 31 1/4”
2020 – 16 GMS, 27 TKL, 2 Sk, 1 FF, 4 QBHits

Mike Danna – Central Michigan/Michigan/Chiefs, Age 23, HT 6-2, WT 250, Arms 32 1/2”
2020 – 13 GMS, 25 TKL, 2.5 Sk, 6 QBHits

Yes, Frank Clark gets paid a lot and we could hope for more production, but the real problem is on the opposite side of Frank at the other DE spot.

We will improve at the DT position with this signing.

Jarran Reed – Alabama/Seahawks/Chiefs, Age 28, HT 6-3, WT 306, Arms 33 3/8”
2020 – 16 GMS, 38 TKL, 6.5 Sk, 1 PD, 1 FF, 14 QBHits|2019 – 10 GMS, 27 TKL, 2 Sk, 1 PD, 1 FF, 8 QBHits

Other possible signings to help the DE spot -

Justin Houston - Georgia/Chiefs/Colts, Age 32, HT 6-3, WT 270, Arms 34 ½”
2020 – 16 GMS, 25 TKL, 8 Sk, 1 FF, 12 QBHits|2019 – 16 GMS, 44 TKL, 11 Sk, 2 FF, 18 QBHits

Melvin Ingram - South Carolina/Chargers, Age 32, HT 6-2, WT 247, Arms 31 ½”
2020 – 7 GMS, 10 TKL, 0 Sk, 2 PD, 5 QBHits|2019 – 13 GMS, 48 TKL, 7 Sk, 5 PD, 12 QBHits

Jerry Hughes – TCU/Colts/Bills, Age 33, HT 6-2, WT 254, Arms 33”
2020 – 15 GMS, 29 TKL, 4.5 Sk, 3 PD, 2 FF, 11 QBHits |2019 – 16 GMS, 23 TKL, 4.5 Sk, 3 PD, 9 QBHits
Could save Bills $6,350,000 by cutting. Also drafted Gregory Rousseau (30) and Carlos Basham Jr (61) with first two draft picks
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bowener 12:23 PM 05-18-2021
The 2020 NFL season had the fewest holding calls in the last 12 seasons (I can't go back further on nflpenalties.com), and it is an absurd difference.

Originally Posted by :
2020: 477
2019: 732
2018: 735
...
2011: 609
2010: 616
2009: 550
I'm making a big assumption here, but I have to assume that edge rushers were the most affected players from non-calls. My next assumption is that speed rushers off the edge were abused the most by the non-calls. While I am not excusing Clark's numbers, I'd love to see just how many edge rushers were screwed out of sacks this season.

Not on topic for this, but pass interference was way off this season (for one particular player): Tom Brady. He benefitted from 30 PI called in the Buccs favor (includes the playoffs). The previous highest was 22. The NFL average over the last 5 years is around 9 DPI called per team. KC with nearly the same passing stats as the Buccs: 4. 4 fucking flags. Mahomes benefited from 3 DPI called. Anyway...
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The Franchise 12:35 PM 05-18-2021
If Veach doesn’t see any DEs in next years draft that could be available where we pick....maybe he trades a first round pick (and more) for Danielle Hunter.
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Chris Meck 12:35 PM 05-18-2021
so much yawn.
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JohnnyHammersticks 12:39 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by JakeF:
Nothing gets this place fired up like going after Fake JakeFarm.

:-)


pussies
The correct terminology is 'Jake from Bitch Farm'.

Your memory is almost as bad as your takes. But not quite.

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks:
Jake from Bitch Farm

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Dunerdr 12:42 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
If Veach doesn’t see any DEs in next years draft that could be available where we pick....maybe he trades a first round pick (and more) for Danielle Hunter.
I could see it. And the vikings are a shit show.
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Chris Meck 12:44 PM 05-18-2021
Look, nobody is arguing that Clark has played up to his contract. Obviously not.

Something's wrong with the guy. Like physically wrong.

IBS or Crohns or whatever, he's just not the same physical player. I don't see him loafing, I just see him not being very effective.

I'm quite sure we will see more of the same this season unless they've made some medical breakthrough, which I doubt because we haven't heard about it.

Next year he'll be gone.

Am I thrilled with our DE situation? Of course not. I still figure we'll sign a vet before the season to help shore it up. The young guys have another year's experience under their belts. Reed paired with Jones is serious business inside. We'll be okay, barring catastrophic injuries.

If we were a shit offense and trying to win with our defense I'd be more worried. We're not. Middle of the pack defense gets it done with this team. We'll be fine.
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Wilson8 12:49 PM 05-18-2021
The Chiefs DL for 2021-

RDE Frank Clark, RDT Jarran Reed/Derrick Nnadi, LDT Chris Jones, LDE ???

Will LDE be Mike Danna, Taco Charlton, Tim Ward, Joshua Kaindoh or trade or sign a free agent?

I believe Frank Clark will improve by having Jarran Reed beside him. Chiefs could also improve more by an upgrade at the LDE.
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louie aguiar 01:00 PM 05-18-2021
Originally Posted by jettio:
What a stupid video and commentary.

Did the video's creator even play high school football?

That video is made by a non-athlete who is mad that a kid grew up and ended up getting paid big on his first negotiated contract.

And the video's target audience is guys who also never even played high school football and are mad that a kid grew up and got paid.

If someone wanted to make a video case that Frank Clark is not doing his job, why not post some videos of actual game tape and compare what the player did on the play compared to his assignment was on the play?

Has any Frank Clark critic ever posted video of plays where he did not compete to do his assignment on a play?

Nerds who like to watch football and look at stats but do not know anything about football ought to commit to getting a job coaching football or working in football at some level.
This is a great point. Only those that played high school football are qualified to hold an opinion on NFL players.
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