I know I'll get picked to pieces on this but just some thoughts on the past few years..
Year 1 for Mahomes starting: Guy is unreal, plays fancy free without a care in the world. Throws over 5000 yards and on 3rd and short he is dropping back throwing 50 plus yard passes. Sets the NFL on fire and with the WORST defense in modern football history we make it to the AFC championship game and besides Dee Ford we win the superbowl. He plays loose even with a historically bad D we do just fine because for that one year we have perhaps one of the best years EVER by any quarterback that has ever played any year. I get he may not be first but a top 5 all time year.
Year 2 you see him get a bit more conservative and not throwing it around as much as he does year 1 but still looks like 90% of year one. He did cut down on turnovers which was good but still not quite as good overall as year 1. The defense takes a step up and plays decent. Even 90% Mahomes (of year 1) with a decent defense we win the superbowl. early signs that year was he was starting to become too conservative.
Year 3 Now we are seeing him dump the ball off all the time and not taking nearly as many shots as he did year 1 ( seemed to be cut by 60% or more) We have games that year that are way to close for comfort ( falcons game as one example) and we don't cover the spread in most games ( not that it matters but means we are just squeaking things out. One of the only games that season where Mahomes looks anything like year 1 was the Buffalo game in the playoffs and he looked like he was playing fancy free like year 1. Then in the superbowl ( I get our O line vs our D line) but he started dropping his eye quickly and not being the old Patrick we know. Like the pressure was just too much for him. But you could tell that the entire year he was off compared with year 1 and year 2.
Year 4 Look I love what he has done for us as a fan base and I'll never forget it but something is way off with Mahomes. He is starting to look like Alex Smith, he isn't keeping his eyes down the field anymore, he looks jittery, he looks shaken, etc etc. He looks like a AVERAGE QB in football. I know you can make the argument that "look at his yards" or "look at his TD's" but I could also argue "look at his turnovers" but its more of a eye test.
He does not look ANYTHING like the year 1 and year 2 QB, he just looks average. Its like his field vision and decision making has completely gone. I think at best we win 9 games but 8 games is probably realistic.
*excuses* People say he is pressing because our defense is so bad but in year 1 our defense we historically awful as well. Even with a bad defense we should of won the superbowl and it was our best team ( because of how he played) Good or bad defense if Mahomes played like he did year 1 we win virtually every game.
Teams are playing us differently, worst excuse ever, look at the QB's that EVERYONE knows throws bombs so teams play them deep like they do the chiefs..... Guess what? they continue to throw the ball deep and continue to win. Examples the Raiders, they throw deep , everyone knows it and they play it that way but they still throw deep all the time and still make the throws. Tom Brady everyone knows throws deep and he continues to and it works. Its like using that as a excuse makes it ok. Just go back to how you were in his first year, throw it around and have fun. This isn't working.
Bottom line is our team isn't great but we have enough players on offense that we can be historically great again but it all hinges on Mahomes. If he gets back to playing like he did then we are fine but if he continues to play average this team is a .500 team at best. Mahomes is the great deodorant in the NFL. but thinking of madden its like Year 1 he was a 100, year 2 he was a 95, year 3 a 85 and now he is a 75. If we now have a average QB then we are cooked boys.
Something is wrong, its one or all of these but its the money, new child, wife, crazy brother or other things but he isn't remotely the same player he once was. No matter how bad our defense plays if we get fancy free Mahomes then we win if we continue to get this version of mahomes then its over...
We have lots of problems and I get we need better or new coaches, we need better players, we need better schemes but at the end of the day we need a better Mahomes. [Reply]
These 10+ yard drops can't continue. They just can't. Pat will not get back to his old form until this changes. In hindsight, Fisher and Schwartz were probably way too good at masking this issue. Orlando Brown isn't athletic enough to do this and frankly, he shouldn't have to. pic.twitter.com/NGH2vM4s1L
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
That's debatable.
Outside of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, and Jones, I don't see a large amount of top-flight NFL talent on the roster as of right now. There is some potential going forward with guys like Humphrey and Bolton, but they haven't proven themselves yet.
Couple that with coaches would give guys like Drob and Niemann significant snaps, and it's no wonder things are going south.
We are more than good enough to still be way better than this. I think we are a few pieces away. But the coaching needs to better utilize the talent AND find a new scheme, then ask for the right talent. [Reply]
It seems like Andy/EB should have a tempo offense option readily available to implement during games when the offense needs a jumpstart (like yesterday).
Tempo offense with quick intermediate passes/crossing routes (that are open against the two deep safety defenses), that also get Tyreek the ball on high % pass plays and let him utilize his run after catch speed.
It's the basketball analogy... getting some easy baskets and seeing the ball go through the hoop helps with a shooting slump.
Getting in a rhythm and completing a sequence of high % passes and keeping the defense off balance with tempo would have a similar benefit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
It seems like Andy/EB should have a tempo offense option readily available to implement during games when the offense needs a jumpstart (like yesterday).
Tempo offense with quick intermediate passes/crossing routes (that are open against the two deep safety defenses), that also get Tyreek the ball on high % pass plays and let him utilize his run after catch speed.
It's the basketball analogy... getting some easy baskets and seeing the ball go through the hoop helps with a shooting slump.
Getting in a rhythm and completing a sequence of high % passes and keeping the defense off balance with tempo would have a similar benefit.
I wonder if part of the problem is their fear of leaving our D on the field. Doesn't help that we've faced multiple teams with elite running games. Yesterday felt like we were trying too hard to keep Derrick Henry off the field. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
I wonder if part of the problem is their fear of leaving our D on the field. Doesn't help that we've faced multiple teams with elite running games. Yesterday felt like we were trying too hard to keep Derrick Henry off the field.
Part of it, sure. You run a up temp offense and go 3 and out and now you've exacerbated the problem. [Reply]
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush:
Outside of Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, and Jones, I don't see a large amount of top-flight NFL talent on the roster as of right now
That's because Brett Veach is an absolute joke who has had 4 years to add significant talent to this team and has only managed to add one player (Tyrann Mathieu) who has made any substantial difference.
The dude is an unmitigated disaster and must be fired. [Reply]
Yea especially after the Packers game its glaring. People can says its Andy's scheme, or the WR dropping balls etc etc. How about this... Mahomes is just playing bad himself.
Look I love the guy and his first two years might be the best first two years for any player in the history of the NFL. I couldn't wait to see what new stat he would take down, Yards, TD's etc. Loved that fans of other teams were so jealous that we have him and they don't.
But...….. and I hope this is it and it changes next year.
Money, even though I don't think he is a money guy it probably has somethin to do with him declining.
Getting married especially when your wife is who she is and won't stop (social media) everywhere all the time embarrassing him.
Having a brother who REALLY embarrasses him on social media and who does things that cause the media to ask questions over and over about him and his thoughts.
He has a kid which changes your life completely.
Just does not have the edge anymore because of what he did in his first two years.
We can blame the team for this and that and if we had alex smith or another rummy QB its just what we have but the reason why we look so bad right now is the expectations of Mahomes year 1 and 2.
I know last year you can show me stats that show he was better but its more of a eye test. Year 1 looked like nothing I had ever seen before and still have never seen. Year 2 was about 90% of year 1, still incredible. Year 3 was decent but not like the first two years, call it 85% of what year 1 was like. And year 4 ( current year) just horrible, probably 60% of year 1...…
Mahomes has to get his head right, if not we have zero chance. If Rogers plays last night we lose by 20 plus.....
I love the guy but he needs to fix something in his head or just fix it for next year... [Reply]
Originally Posted by synthesis2:
Yea especially after the Packers game its glaring. People can says its Andy's scheme, or the WR dropping balls etc etc. How about this... Mahomes is just playing bad himself.
Look I love the guy and his first two years might be the best first two years for any player in the history of the NFL. I couldn't wait to see what new stat he would take down, Yards, TD's etc. Loved that fans of other teams were so jealous that we have him and they don't.
But...….. and I hope this is it and it changes next year.
Money, even though I don't think he is a money guy it probably has somethin to do with him declining.
Getting married especially when your wife is who she is and won't stop (social media) everywhere all the time embarrassing him.
Having a brother who REALLY embarrasses him on social media and who does things that cause the media to ask questions over and over about him and his thoughts.
He has a kid which changes your life completely.
Just does not have the edge anymore because of what he did in his first two years.
We can blame the team for this and that and if we had alex smith or another rummy QB its just what we have but the reason why we look so bad right now is the expectations of Mahomes year 1 and 2.
I know last year you can show me stats that show he was better but its more of a eye test. Year 1 looked like nothing I had ever seen before and still have never seen. Year 2 was about 90% of year 1, still incredible. Year 3 was decent but not like the first two years, call it 85% of what year 1 was like. And year 4 ( current year) just horrible, probably 60% of year 1...…
Mahomes has to get his head right, if not we have zero chance. If Rogers plays last night we lose by 20 plus.....
I love the guy but he needs to fix something in his head or just fix it for next year...
Patrick is now a half billion dollar company. He has tons of shit going on in regards to sponsors, business investments, building a new home, and being a bad.
My wife and I adopted a baby 7 years ago. It changed everything overnight.
His decisions yesterday to throw bombs on second down was not just horrible, but was shows us exactly what the problem is. If feels to me like Patrick thinks if he could just make a big play, all will be better. I think that is the wrong approach. Until that changes we are in trouble. [Reply]
Patrick is now a half billion dollar company. He has tons of shit going on in regards to sponsors, business investments, building a new home, and being a bad.
My wife and I adopted a baby 7 years ago. It changed everything overnight.
His decisions yesterday to throw bombs on second down was not just horrible, but was shows us exactly what the problem is. If feels to me like Patrick thinks if he could just make a big play, all will be better. I think that is the wrong approach. Until that changes we are in trouble.
1/2 game out of first......we are in BIG trouble.....:-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by ARROW2:
1/2 game out of first......we are in BIG trouble.....:-)
Is this wear we are now? a half game out of first, I wouldn't care if we were in first outright if we play like this we get absolutely steam rolled in the playoffs and have zero chance to win a SB.
The entire goal of football is the win the SB, period, end of sentence. THIS team with Mahomes playing the way he is playing will not win a playoff game and even if they did with crazy things happening they will not win a superbowl unless he goes back to being special.
I know he looks different but what we have right now is Alex Smtih, not a horrible QB but just someone who manages the game etc. Nothing special and you know in the back of your mind there is not way we win.
I just hope the guy gets stuff straight in his mind this year but it will probably be a year or two before he learns to straighten it out. [Reply]
I wonder if some of it is because of frustration over how teams are playing him. He's always been a chuck it deep and score in 3-5 plays. Teams have taken that away and he is now having to play dink and dunk and long methodical drives. Perhaps that's getting to him as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
I wonder if some of it is because of frustration over how teams are playing him. He's always been a chuck it deep and score in 3-5 plays. Teams have taken that away and he is now having to play dink and dunk and long methodical drives. Perhaps that's getting to him as well.
