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synthesis2 07:48 AM 10-25-2021
I know I'll get picked to pieces on this but just some thoughts on the past few years..

Year 1 for Mahomes starting: Guy is unreal, plays fancy free without a care in the world. Throws over 5000 yards and on 3rd and short he is dropping back throwing 50 plus yard passes. Sets the NFL on fire and with the WORST defense in modern football history we make it to the AFC championship game and besides Dee Ford we win the superbowl. He plays loose even with a historically bad D we do just fine because for that one year we have perhaps one of the best years EVER by any quarterback that has ever played any year. I get he may not be first but a top 5 all time year.

Year 2 you see him get a bit more conservative and not throwing it around as much as he does year 1 but still looks like 90% of year one. He did cut down on turnovers which was good but still not quite as good overall as year 1. The defense takes a step up and plays decent. Even 90% Mahomes (of year 1) with a decent defense we win the superbowl. early signs that year was he was starting to become too conservative.

Year 3 Now we are seeing him dump the ball off all the time and not taking nearly as many shots as he did year 1 ( seemed to be cut by 60% or more) We have games that year that are way to close for comfort ( falcons game as one example) and we don't cover the spread in most games ( not that it matters but means we are just squeaking things out. One of the only games that season where Mahomes looks anything like year 1 was the Buffalo game in the playoffs and he looked like he was playing fancy free like year 1. Then in the superbowl ( I get our O line vs our D line) but he started dropping his eye quickly and not being the old Patrick we know. Like the pressure was just too much for him. But you could tell that the entire year he was off compared with year 1 and year 2.

Year 4 Look I love what he has done for us as a fan base and I'll never forget it but something is way off with Mahomes. He is starting to look like Alex Smith, he isn't keeping his eyes down the field anymore, he looks jittery, he looks shaken, etc etc. He looks like a AVERAGE QB in football. I know you can make the argument that "look at his yards" or "look at his TD's" but I could also argue "look at his turnovers" but its more of a eye test.
He does not look ANYTHING like the year 1 and year 2 QB, he just looks average. Its like his field vision and decision making has completely gone. I think at best we win 9 games but 8 games is probably realistic.

*excuses* People say he is pressing because our defense is so bad but in year 1 our defense we historically awful as well. Even with a bad defense we should of won the superbowl and it was our best team ( because of how he played) Good or bad defense if Mahomes played like he did year 1 we win virtually every game.

Teams are playing us differently, worst excuse ever, look at the QB's that EVERYONE knows throws bombs so teams play them deep like they do the chiefs..... Guess what? they continue to throw the ball deep and continue to win. Examples the Raiders, they throw deep , everyone knows it and they play it that way but they still throw deep all the time and still make the throws. Tom Brady everyone knows throws deep and he continues to and it works. Its like using that as a excuse makes it ok. Just go back to how you were in his first year, throw it around and have fun. This isn't working.

Bottom line is our team isn't great but we have enough players on offense that we can be historically great again but it all hinges on Mahomes. If he gets back to playing like he did then we are fine but if he continues to play average this team is a .500 team at best. Mahomes is the great deodorant in the NFL. but thinking of madden its like Year 1 he was a 100, year 2 he was a 95, year 3 a 85 and now he is a 75. If we now have a average QB then we are cooked boys.

Something is wrong, its one or all of these but its the money, new child, wife, crazy brother or other things but he isn't remotely the same player he once was. No matter how bad our defense plays if we get fancy free Mahomes then we win if we continue to get this version of mahomes then its over...

We have lots of problems and I get we need better or new coaches, we need better players, we need better schemes but at the end of the day we need a better Mahomes.
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Hammock Parties 10:11 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
And I'm sorry. We are nowhere near an elite offense.
Statistically speaking, they were definitely an elite offense before yesterday.
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RaidersOftheCellar 10:11 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by Priest31kc:
What are these metrics? He literally just fell from #1 in TDs yesterday. He's still top 5 in yards/game.

Passer rating is a useless stat. If we go by passer rating, Kirk Cousins and Bridgewater are better than Mahomes this year.
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comochiefsfan 10:12 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
There's still a ton of motion in this offense. And they've been an elite offense this year, before yesterday.

Yeah, you're overreacting here. To one bad game from the offense.

It's still an elite offense. And they will show up next week.
The offense was dogshit against Buffalo. The offense was dogshit for a half against WFT. The offense was dogshit against Tennessee.

The offense has been dogshit for 10 of the last 12 quarters.

The offense as of this moment is dogshit.
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Hammock Parties 10:13 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by TLO:
WTF does this even mean?
PFF nonsense.
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Hammock Parties 10:13 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
The offense was dogshit against Buffalo. The offense was dogshit for a half against WFT. The offense was dogshit against Tennessee.

The offense has been dogshit for 10 of the last 12 quarters.

The offense as of this moment is dogshit.
#3 in the NFL. You are overreacting.
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comochiefsfan 10:14 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
#3 in the NFL. You are overreacting.
I applaud your unabated homerism I guess.
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Priest31kc 10:16 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
What are these metrics? He literally just fell from #1 in TDs yesterday. He's still top 5 in yards/game.

Passer rating is a useless stat. If we go by passer rating, Kirk Cousins and Bridgewater are better than Mahomes this year.
Kosko is a PFF guy. Im guessing the stable metrics are things like passing grade under no pressure, passing grade in the pocket, etc...and the unstable metrics are things like passing grade under pressure, passing grade outside the pocket, etc..
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Hammock Parties 10:25 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
I applaud your unabated homerism I guess.
Simply stating the facts.

I am not going to over-react to one bad game from the offense.
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comochiefsfan 10:27 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Simply stating the facts.

I am not going to over-react to one bad game from the offense.
It hasn't been one bad game though.

It's been 2.5 bad games in the last 3.

If you don't think that's concerning then I don't know what to tell you.
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Hammock Parties 10:29 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
It hasn't been one bad game though.

It's been 2.5 bad games in the last 3.

If you don't think that's concerning then I don't know what to tell you.
I would say there is a clear difference in what happened in all three games.

BUF - offense was mediocre, defense completely collapsed.

WAS - offense was elite, a couple of turnovers skewed the score in the first half.

TEN - Just one of those games where nothing goes right. Every NFL team has them once inawhile.

We are up and down this season. The main issue on offense has been turnovers, not "screens and reverses herp derp."
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Coochie liquor 10:30 AM 10-25-2021
I think the team isn’t as close as they used to be. They don’t seem to have the same friendships they did at the beginning. They don’t have the fire, or the swagger. Not sure what happened, but they’re not playing as a team now, they’re playing as a bunch of individuals that aren’t on the same page, and aren’t tuned into each other like they were.
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fan4ever 10:31 AM 10-25-2021
I think trying to make Mahomes a conformist pocket QB isn't working...especially when the pocket is collapsing so quickly. I'm concerned they're trying to make a unique player fit some mold that isn't going to work for him.
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synthesis2 10:33 AM 10-25-2021
Look the excuse of , "they are playing two deep safeties" so we have to dink and donk with ends up with fumbles , drops etc.

Here are QB's right now in the NFL teams are playing two deep safeties on and they still thrown it down the field all the time.

Brady, Allen, Rodgers, Murray, Stafford, Carr, Herbert, all of these guys throw bombs and the D plays two deep and they still get theirs.

Mahomes has to say F*ck it and go back to 2018 and sling it around, a few normal picks are ok with me if he is pushing it down the field.

Right now it just looks like a dumpster fire. When you take 15 plus plays there are so many chances to lose the ball as well.

2018 our team besides Mahomes and the WR were a C- at best, maybe a D+ but we should have/would have won the superbowl that year soley because we had a QB that was just balling.

Now he just looks different. something is wrong with him mentally. The team has always sucked 5-52 ( players) but when you play at his level you win.

His first two years, especially year 1 he was just different, he needs to figure that out and get back, otherwise we are back to alex smith kind of numbers and wins...
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comochiefsfan 10:33 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
I would say there is a clear difference in what happened in all three games.

BUF - offense was mediocre, defense completely collapsed.

WAS - offense was elite, a couple of turnovers skewed the score in the first half.

TEN - Just one of those games where nothing goes right. Every NFL team has them once inawhile.

We are up and down this season. The main issue on offense has been turnovers, not "screens and reverses herp derp."
We can't just dismiss turnovers when they're happening every single game.

It's to the point now where we can't view it as bad luck but rather who we are as a team.
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RaidersOftheCellar 10:34 AM 10-25-2021
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
And I'm sorry. We are nowhere near an elite offense.

I could give a shit how many yards we've picked up or how many third downs we've converted.

You can't turn the ball over at the rate we do and call yourself an elite offense.

The narrative that we just need to cut out the turnovers and we'll be fine needs to stop. There's a large enough sample size now. This is just who we are.
They've been elite at moving the ball until yesterday. If you want to say that turnovers prevent them from being a top offense, fine. I just don't subscribe to the idea that players that have never been turnover-prone are suddenly going to be turnover machines for the rest of their careers. Many of them have been unusual and unlucky. And many due to added pressure to score on every possession. If the defense improved, I'm pretty sure the turnover problem would go away.

I don't understand the narrative that the play-calling has been terrible all year. They were moving the ball exceptionally well until yesterday.
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