Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Mike Zimmer just told the media they could come in early and take a look at the players that are waiting in the parking lot for their test results. Amazing pic.twitter.com/Td4ag1nBF7
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
They're messing with everyone's ability to get back to normal. Pissing me off that they bitch about freedoms and shit yet are the main reason they are getting taken away.
You are making an assumption but to explain myself I would be breaking the "Non political" rule of this thread [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
You are making an assumption but to explain myself I would be breaking the "Non political" rule of this thread
I'm frustrated with people not getting vaccinated or atleast trying to get proper information to make that decision from professionals. 50% of the country being vaccinated is embarrassing when other countries are begging for it. It keeps being proven that it's working and saving lives. I can already see more mask mandates starting again and I've done my part. I feel awful for all the healthcare workers I know getting bombarded again and worry that this could cause delays again for procedures as well.
Fine, you don't want the vaccine then mask up for everyone else then if you aren't going to get it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
No, the people taking away (or trying to take away) the freedoms are the main reason they are getting taken away.
Sure. I just wish that people would try to atleast do the right thing. If youre not vaccinated then wear a mask and protect yourself and others to some degree. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
You're right...it's def asking too much. People faking vaccine cards and getting busted now. Hope the charges ahs hefty fines were worth it.
It’s like the Silent Majority are now the draft dodging, card burning hippies.
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
I'm frustrated with people not getting vaccinated or atleast trying to get proper information to make that decision from professionals. 50% of the country being vaccinated is embarrassing when other countries are begging for it. It keeps being proven that it's working and saving lives. I can already see more mask mandates starting again and I've done my part. I feel awful for all the healthcare workers I know getting bombarded again and worry that this could cause delays again for procedures as well.
Fine, you don't want the vaccine then mask up for everyone else then if you aren't going to get it.
Yeah, it's such an uneasy feeling right now. I compare it to a huge project at work where someone isn't doing shit, so there's an elephant in the room, knowing you'll have to put in the extra hours and fix their shit for them, etc.... even though there's a far better solution that no one has the balls to go through with.
And if mask mandates don't work (and already frustrating to wear them while vaccinated), it feels like no one will have the balls to make the tough, but far better solution than going straight to a lock down....
....deny healthcare, except it'll of course never happen (and not sure it should)
....deny entry into businesses/large gatherings/flights/etc. if you aren't vaccinated
....deny employment for customer-facing positions if you aren't vaccinated
And I give no shits about whether being vaccinated is right or wrong or indifferent. We can all try masking up again, which is 30% effective for actual masks and less for all of the bandanas and bullshit out there.
If that doesn't work and you're not comfortable with the most effective option out there, then accept you're a risk and shouldn't be around other people for as long as healthcare can't keep up with the demand.
It would suck. If the most effective option against Covid was to get a neck tattoo that said "NICKELBACK", I'd say fuck it and stay home, all of the tattooed idiots can enjoy sporting events and live music, but no reason to shut down the country again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Yeah, it's such an uneasy feeling right now. I compare it to a huge project at work where someone isn't doing shit, so there's an elephant in the room, knowing you'll have to put in the extra hours and fix their shit for them, etc.... even though there's a far better solution that no one has the balls to go through with.
And if mask mandates don't work (and already frustrating to wear them while vaccinated), it feels like no one will have the balls to make the tough, but far better solution than going straight to a lock down....
....deny healthcare, except it'll of course never happen (and not sure it should)
....deny entry into businesses/large gatherings/flights/etc. if you aren't vaccinated
....deny employment for customer-facing positions if you aren't vaccinated
And I give no shits about whether being vaccinated is right or wrong or indifferent. We can all try masking up again, which is 30% effective for actual masks and less for all of the bandanas and bullshit out there.
If that doesn't work and you're not comfortable with the most effective option out there, then accept you're a risk and shouldn't be around other people for as long as healthcare can't keep up with the demand.
It would suck. If the most effective option against Covid was to get a neck tattoo that said "NICKELBACK", I'd say fuck it and stay home, all of the tattooed idiots can enjoy sporting events and live music, but no reason to shut down the country again.
Exactly. Changing the rules until this crisis is over and control to save people from themselves and others that could be impacted should be done soon. Delta is a beast with how contagious it is and I was just ready to get back into the office till they said hold up. All this shit is so avoidable at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
I'm frustrated with people not getting vaccinated or atleast trying to get proper information to make that decision from professionals. 50% of the country being vaccinated is embarrassing when other countries are begging for it. It keeps being proven that it's working and saving lives. I can already see more mask mandates starting again and I've done my part. I feel awful for all the healthcare workers I know getting bombarded again and worry that this could cause delays again for procedures as well.
Fine, you don't want the vaccine then mask up for everyone else then if you aren't going to get it.
Yeah, that's where I'm at. Not getting vaccinated at this point is just closed-minded. Even if a person was convinced that the vaccines were bad earlier, they should be able to change their mind now that the evidence overwhelmingly shows that it's a good thing. There's no shame in changing one's mind after a learning process, and in fact that's a good trait. [Reply]
I haven’t paid that much attention but I haven’t heard much about delta being all that deadly. Is there anything to suggest it’s something we as a population actually need to be treating like the original? I gather it’s very contagious but if it’s less deadly isn’t that a good thing that it’s the dominant strain?
I’m just trying to figure if there’s any actual reason to justify increasing mask usage and talks of lockdowns. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I haven’t paid that much attention but I haven’t heard much about delta being all that deadly. Is there anything to suggest it’s something we as a population actually need to be treating like the original? I gather it’s very contagious but if it’s less deadly isn’t that a good thing that it’s the dominant strain?
I’m just trying to figure if there’s any actual reason to justify increasing mask usage and talks of lockdowns.
It’s not less deadly to a non immune person.
Thanks to pre existing immunity, the death rate has lowered a lot. [Reply]