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DaFace 11:23 AM 06-27-2016
A place to talk about investing stuff.
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Buehler445 09:01 PM 07-05-2018
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
This markets been relatively placid and slightly sanguine running into the beginning of this conflict. Priced in and blah blah. The first part of the tariffs on China goes live at midnight. They've already outlined their response will be more pork tariffs, corn & soybeans, etc.

I suppose we'll know if they'll really retaliate by the morning and if we'll get into a back and forth tit for tat. We'll get more jobs report data tomorrow and the hourly wage report in the morning.
Eh, most traders lay out during holidays.
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lewdog 09:08 PM 07-05-2018
I sold another Put on IQ a few weeks ago.

It's tanked enough that I might get some shares placed on me tomorrow ($30.5) and that's ok as I think it's reaching it's bottom. But if I don't get shares placed again, I make a little money.

Win.

It's looking like it's taking a pounding on the futures again tonight. Will be interesting to see where it's at early morning.
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Buehler445 10:10 PM 07-05-2018
Originally Posted by lewdog:
I sold another Put on IQ a few weeks ago.

It's tanked enough that I might get some shares placed on me tomorrow ($30.5) and that's ok as I think it's reaching it's bottom. But if I don't get shares placed again, I make a little money.

Win.

It's looking like it's taking a pounding on the futures again tonight. Will be interesting to see where it's at early morning.
Unless it goes sideways forever and you get destroyed on the time value. Every fucking time I buy a put this happens. So I quit.

(these are puts in the commodity markets, I don't know if puts on stocks are the same)
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petegz28 07:39 AM 07-06-2018
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Unless it goes sideways forever and you get destroyed on the time value. Every ****ing time I buy a put this happens. So I quit.

(these are puts in the commodity markets, I don't know if puts on stocks are the same)
He sold the Put so time value getting destroyed favors him...
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Buehler445 07:50 AM 07-06-2018
Originally Posted by petegz28:
He sold the Put so time value getting destroyed favors him...
DonT Reed gud.

Sorry man.
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Rain Man 09:23 AM 07-06-2018
On a completely different note, I'd like to report something that chafes me and see if anyone has a solution.

I'd like to know the total return on a stock when I hold it, but if the stock pays a dividend it seems like this is impossible.

For example, if I buy and hold a non-dividend stock at a cost of (for example) $1,000, I can look a year later and if it's at $1,100 then I got a 10% return.

But let's say I hold a dividend stock that pays 3%, and it also goes up 10% in that year. If I'm reinvesting dividends, I now have $1,130 in stock, but the cost basis is now $1,030 because it counts the purchase of the re-invested dividends as a cost. So it says my return is 1130/1030 = 9.7% when it's really 1130/1000 = 13.0%. If I don't reinvest dividends I have a different problem because then I have to chase down the cash and manually add it back in to calculate returns.

This really bugs me, because essentially it undercounts my returns on dividend stocks pretty notably. I can't think of a workaround unless there's some setting on the various brokerage sites that can adjust for it. Anyone else ever address this?
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lewdog 03:07 PM 07-06-2018
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Unless it goes sideways forever and you get destroyed on the time value. Every fucking time I buy a put this happens. So I quit.

(these are puts in the commodity markets, I don't know if puts on stocks are the same)
Originally Posted by petegz28:
He sold the Put so time value getting destroyed favors him...
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
DonT Reed gud.

Sorry man.
Looking like I'm gonna own 100 shares of IQ at about $30/share. I'll take it. Good position to enter and will look to make some short term gains on this. Very speculative stock, though. Lots of action. More like gambling on this.


On an actual investing note, wife and I are gonna try to max our Roth IRAs again this year but it's a bit tighter doing it on one salary this year. lol

Also started a 529 through Fidelity for my son. Tax savings on this plan look decent.
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ChiliConCarnage 04:46 PM 07-06-2018
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
On a completely different note, I'd like to report something that chafes me and see if anyone has a solution.

I'd like to know the total return on a stock when I hold it, but if the stock pays a dividend it seems like this is impossible.
For a single position, you can look at anyone who shows Total Returns but for multiple lots I don't know. Some people create custom spreadsheets and scrape end of day data from Yahoo finance but it's not perfect. If you google it, you'll likely find info.

Morningstar and even Yahoo will show Total Return data if you just bought once, you should be able to scale the chart to reflect the total return since your purchase date. My broker has a 5 year chart of this kind under Total Return but it's not literal numbers from any of my purchase/lots. Both of those have portfolio features where you can add your stock/lots but I don't know if that'd help.. I don't use either in that fashion.
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lewdog 07:39 PM 07-10-2018
Stocks being sold off heavily after hours currently.

Rumor has it White House set to name $200-billion more possible tariffs on Chinese goods.

This will not be good.
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Hammock Parties 07:46 PM 07-10-2018
I fucked myself so hard :-)
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Cornstock 10:12 PM 07-10-2018
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
On a completely different note, I'd like to report something that chafes me and see if anyone has a solution.

I'd like to know the total return on a stock when I hold it, but if the stock pays a dividend it seems like this is impossible.

For example, if I buy and hold a non-dividend stock at a cost of (for example) $1,000, I can look a year later and if it's at $1,100 then I got a 10% return.

But let's say I hold a dividend stock that pays 3%, and it also goes up 10% in that year. If I'm reinvesting dividends, I now have $1,130 in stock, but the cost basis is now $1,030 because it counts the purchase of the re-invested dividends as a cost. So it says my return is 1130/1030 = 9.7% when it's really 1130/1000 = 13.0%. If I don't reinvest dividends I have a different problem because then I have to chase down the cash and manually add it back in to calculate returns.

This really bugs me, because essentially it undercounts my returns on dividend stocks pretty notably. I can't think of a workaround unless there's some setting on the various brokerage sites that can adjust for it. Anyone else ever address this?
I've had this exact issue, spent hours on Google to try to figure it out without having to manually calculate. That's just messy and time consuming. You'd think with as many people who DRIP this would be a common request. Let me know if you find anything
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Rain Man 10:20 PM 07-10-2018
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
For a single position, you can look at anyone who shows Total Returns but for multiple lots I don't know. Some people create custom spreadsheets and scrape end of day data from Yahoo finance but it's not perfect. If you google it, you'll likely find info.

Morningstar and even Yahoo will show Total Return data if you just bought once, you should be able to scale the chart to reflect the total return since your purchase date. My broker has a 5 year chart of this kind under Total Return but it's not literal numbers from any of my purchase/lots. Both of those have portfolio features where you can add your stock/lots but I don't know if that'd help.. I don't use either in that fashion.
Yeah, the challenge is that those total return figures include the purchases of new stock through dividend reinvestment. All I can think of to do is scrape the data from every purchase and then work backwards, but that becomes a completely unreasonable task if I've held the stock for a while.

Originally Posted by Cornstock:
I've had this exact issue, spent hours on Google to try to figure it out without having to manually calculate. That's just messy and time consuming. You'd think with as many people who DRIP this would be a common request. Let me know if you find anything
You'd also think that the brokerage would want to present themselves in the best light. The current system of including the DRIP purchases underestimates the total return significantly. I'm mystified why they don't give us an option to only count investments made from external funds. It seems like it wouldn't be hard to do.
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Cornstock 10:37 PM 07-10-2018
Originally Posted by Rain Man:


You'd also think that the brokerage would want to present themselves in the best light. The current system of including the DRIP purchases underestimates the total return significantly. I'm mystified why they don't give us an option to only count investments made from external funds. It seems like it wouldn't be hard to do.
Exactly, it would behoove them to show your returns in the best possible light. I have a bunch of academic textbook stuff that shows what Dripping can do over long term which is second in significance only to compound returns themselves.

This is particularly true during market downturns where your dollar cost average is reduced. If you have something that pays strong dividends it is quite significant.

I've hedged my portfolio with a good amount of VYM for this reason. Its S&P indexed and tracks that very well, but emphasizes stocks that pay higher dividends than the rest of the index. With a buy and hold strategy through a downturn you'll make out like a bandit vs a straight indexed fund
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Munson 02:35 PM 07-12-2018
Here's a little piece of IQ news from yesterday, which may or may not have contributed to today's gains...


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/iqiyi...113900738.html


Originally Posted by :
iQIYI Enters Fortune China 500 List, Marking Milestone for Innovative Online Entertainment Platform

BEIJING, July 11, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- iQIYI, Inc. (IQ) ("iQIYI" or the "Company"), an innovative market-leading online entertainment service in China, today announced that it has ranked for the first time on the prestigious Fortune China 500 list, ranking 419th place. iQIYI's inclusion on the list, which features leading Chinese company such as CNPC and China Mobile, is a reflection of the rapid development of the company over the past couple of years. The company has expanded its services into all areas of the entertainment industry, far beyond its beginnings as an online streaming platform. iQIYI's revenue in 2017 was RMB 17.378 billion, and the company received a revenue of RMB 4.9 billion in in the first quarter of 2018, representing a year-on-year increase of 57%.

The Fortune China 500, is the China-focused affiliate list of the authoritative Global Fortune 500 list and is generated in cooperation with China International Capital Corp's Wealth Management Department. Like the Global Fortune 500, the Fortune China 500 is ranked by revenue, and is a review of all Chinese companies listed on both domestic and overseas markets, based on officially disclosed information from listed companies on various stock exchanges. This year, Fortune China raised the threshold of entry for the list from RMB 11.323 billion to RMB 13.864 billion.

The Fortune China 500 list also shows clear indications that the strength of the Chinese internet industry is continuing to grow. This year, 7 internet companies are listed on the Fortune China 500 list, with a total market value of RMB 7 trillion.

Since its founding eight years ago, iQIYI has continued on expanding its innovative monetization models, growing the business in all areas including advertising, paid membership, publishing, content production and distribution, and IP licensing. The company has risen to become China's leading online entertainment platform, based on the strength of its selection of high quality content and the use of advanced technology which ensures an unmatched user experience.

"iQIYI is committed to bringing our audiences an even greater online entertainment experience," said Gong Yu, Founder & CEO of iQIYI. "With our investment for the future in innovative technologies, particularly artificial intelligence, I am confident that we will continue to surpass the expectations of our users and secure our place as a world-leading technology-based entertainment giant."

About iQIYI, Inc.

iQIYI, Inc. (IQ) ("iQIYI" or the "Company") is an innovative market-leading online entertainment service in China. Its corporate DNA combines creative talent with technology, fostering an environment for continuous innovation and the production of blockbuster content. iQIYI's platform features highly popular original content, as well as a comprehensive library of other professionally-produced content, partner-generated content and user-generated content. The Company distinguishes itself in the online entertainment industry by its leading technology platform powered by advanced AI, big data analytics and other core proprietary technologies. iQIYI attracts a massive user base with tremendous user engagement, and has developed diversified monetization models, including membership services, online advertising services, content distribution, live broadcasting, online games, IP licensing, online literature and e-commerce etc. For more information on iQIYI, please visit http://ir.iqiyi.com.

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lewdog 08:07 PM 07-12-2018
Yea IQ is a very volatile stock. I plan on swing trading this through the peaks and valley if the situation looks good similar to what I recently did.

Sold a Put back in June that expired worthless. Made $200.
Sold a Put in July that got exercised. I bought 100 shares for $30.17 cost adjusted.
Just sold a covered call on those shares for July 27th @$33 that paid $197.
If it's exercised by July 27th I will make $250 on the sale.

About $650 of profit for not a ton of risk. I'll take it. If it looks like I can do it again, I'll start the cycle of selling a Put again as the premium payouts for options on IQ are high given the volatility.


And thank you Scho. I learned mostly about these options from you and have been using them at times with success.
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