Cardinals ***Official 2022 STL Cardinals Thread*** - Page 56

Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
The issue with viewing Pujols' career is that the first half was remarkable and the second half was...not.

In terms of hitters/position players, I'd put the following above him:

Ruth
Bonds
Mays
Aaron
Cobb

Then also throw in guys like Hornsby, Mantle, Ted Williams, Musial.

I think he's a top 10 hitter of all time. Not sure I'd say top 5 based off the second half of his career.

He’s 3rd in total bases, 3rd in RBIs, 5th in home runs (behind 2 PED users), and 10th in total hits.

I’d argue top 5 has a good case.
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Originally Posted by VAChief:
He’s 3rd in total bases, 3rd in RBIs, 5th in home runs (behind 2 PED users), and 10th in total hits.

I’d argue top 5 has a good case.

5th in doubles, 10th in Grand Slams.....easy top 5
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Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
The issue with viewing Pujols' career is that the first half was remarkable and the second half was...not.

In terms of hitters/position players, I'd put the following above him:

Ruth
Bonds
Mays
Aaron
Cobb

Then also throw in guys like Hornsby, Mantle, Ted Williams, Musial.

I think he's a top 10 hitter of all time. Not sure I'd say top 5 based off the second half of his career.

Ruth
Cobb
Aaron
Mays
Pujols
?
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Ruth
Cobb
Aaron
Mays
Pujols
?

There is no definitive “best” stat, but for me if you are talking about best “hitter”…Total Bases comes pretty close. It accounts for weighted damage done. The top 5 all time are Aaron, Musial, Pujols, Mays, and Bonds. All played at least 22 years. Cobb is sixth and played 24 years.
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Originally Posted by VAChief:
There is no definitive “best” stat, but for me if you are talking about best “hitter”…Total Bases comes pretty close. It accounts for weighted damage done. The top 5 all time are Aaron, Musial, Pujols, Mays, and Bonds. All played at least 22 years. Cobb is sixth and played 24 years.

I'm not including Bonds or Alex due to their use of steroids. Mays may have taken speed (greenies) like most ball players in the 50's-early 60's.But, he never admitted it like Yogi and Mantle.
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God damn, the Yankees have become really bad.
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Originally Posted by BDj23:
God damn, the Yankees have become really bad.

They couldn’t maintain that pace they were on.
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Should have never traded their ace, Jordan Montgomery.
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Pujols is amazing but that Angels stint hurts his perspective as a top 5 hitter.
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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP:
Pujols is amazing but that Angels stint hurts his perspective as a top 5 hitter.

I get that he was average at best in Anaheim. But, doesn't baseball judge players on their overall stats? Not giving weight to these specific years over the other years?
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I get that he was average at best in Anaheim. But, doesn't baseball judge players on their overall stats? Not giving weight to these specific years over the other years?

I think it depends on the person.

A lot of those top players mentioned were more consistent throughout their career. But it is up to each person judging.

When you look at Pujois' splits between St. Louis and Anaheim/California/Los Angeles Angels, it is like two different players. Especially in BA and OBP.
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Albert is gonna get 700
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Originally Posted by BDj23:
Albert is gonna get 700

Im not convinced unless the Cardinals can clinch the division early and run him out there every game for the last week and a half of the season. Even then, he may need some Cal Ripken ASG meatballs
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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi:
Im not convinced unless the Cardinals can clinch the division early and run him out there every game for the last week and a half of the season. Even then, he may need some Cal Ripken ASG meatballs

He's hit what 4 homers in the past 10 games? It's easily doable at this current pace
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Also Hudson sucks ass
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