Kansas City is trading its first-round pick Thursday night, along with three other picks in the 2021 and 2022 drafts, to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for Pro Bowl OT Orlando Brown and one pick in the 2021 draft and another in 2022, per sources.
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd have traded him for less anywhere else.
They essentially filled the Chiefs biggest weakness with a potentially huge strength for not much.
You yoursefl said this draft isn't exactly gonna be easy to sparse out. So I'd not want picks in it.
I think the Ravens are aware of the situation that they are in, no Judon or Ngokue this year, they need pass rush, oline and a few other things. IMO they were loaded up to make a run and missed, now theyre working on more of a reload and using our picks to do it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Should the Chiefs have traded him to the Ravens?
They sent him to the Rams, a team in the NFC.
The Rams traded him to the Ravens, in teh AFC. My logic is that I wouldn't prefer to trade a guy to a team I'm gonna have to beat in the playoffs. But shit happens I guess so I'm way off here.
I knew this was the argument you'd attempt to make.
My counterpoint: The end result is the same. The path taken to get there may be different, but the end result is the same: The Chiefs have play Marcus Peters.
So by your logic, had an AFC team had an offer for Peters, the Chiefs shoulda turned down a superior offer and sent him to the NFC. As fate would have it (because so many unpredictable variables happen in the NFL, the Chiefs would end up facing him ANYWAY.
So if O.City was G.M, the Chiefs woulda taken less compensation AND STILL had to play him.
That, friend, is why you don't make decisions out of fear. Because you can't control the multitude of variables. Instead, focus on what best serves the team.
If that example doesn't spell it out for your i have no idea what will. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I think the Ravens are aware of the situation that they are in, no Judon or Ngokue this year, they need pass rush, oline and a few other things. IMO they were loaded up to make a run and missed, now theyre working on more of a reload and using our picks to do it.
Exactly.
They weren't getting past the Chiefs, regardless of who was at LT for the Chiefs, without a pass rush. And they lost what little pass rush they already had. Trading Brown to the Chiefs makes the Chiefs better but in the grand scheme of things, they weren't beating the Chiefs' LT with the pass rush they have no matter who played there.
They're at a crossroad and need to decide what they're going to do with Lamar. They need picks, picks, and more picks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
For this draft, sure. The reason being is because clearly, Veach doesn't feel like investing a 1st round pick into questionable players in this draft. But if you're taking a guy in the 2nd round, it's much easier to move on in terms of the salary cap and public perception if he doesn't work out by Year 2.
50% of all NFL First Rounders bust. This year, that number, not only in the 1st round round, but in subsequent rounds in which the bust rate is even higher, could be astronomical.
I think this is very true and I also think there's probably going to be more undrafted gems this year as well, for the same reasons. We seem to do well hitting on some under the radar guys as it is, so this draft may give us an opportunity to really clip a coupon on a number of quality players. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I think the Ravens are aware of the situation that they are in, no Judon or Ngokue this year, they need pass rush, oline and a few other things. IMO they were loaded up to make a run and missed, now theyre working on more of a reload and using our picks to do it.
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I knew this was the argument you'd attempt to make.
My counterpoint: The end result is the same. The path taken to get there may be different, but the end result is the same: The Chiefs have play Marcus Peters.
So by your logic, had an AFC team had an offer for Peters, the Chiefs shoulda turned down a superior offer and sent him to the NFC. As fate would have it (because so many unpredictable variables happen in the NFL, the Chiefs would end up facing him ANYWAY.
So if O.City was G.M, the Chiefs woulda taken less compensation AND STILL had to play him.
That, friend, is why you don't make decisions out of fear. Because you can't control the multitude of variables. Instead, focus on what best serves the team.
If that example doesn't spell it out for your i have no idea what will.
Sure, but at that point it's out of my control.
What best serves the Ravens is the Chiefs being worse, no? [Reply]
Every Chiefs trade they've made in recent history has sent the player they're trading away out of the conference.
I'd guess that's not by accident.
Now if the compensation is way out of whack, sure, take the better offer. But if it's close at all, I'd prefer not to play said guy. And if I would, don't you think that says something about the player? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, but at that point it's out of my control.
What best serves the Ravens is the Chiefs being worse, no?
What best serves the Ravens is the Ravens getting better. Getting rid of Brown and getting picks back makes the Ravens better. They really can't worry about the Chiefs because the Chiefs had already made it clear they were going to get a new LT regardless of what the Ravens did. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Every Chiefs trade they've made in recent history has sent the player they're trading away out of the conference.
I'd guess that's not by accident.
Now if the compensation is way out of whack, sure, take the better offer. But if it's close at all, I'd prefer not to play said guy. And if I would, don't you think that says something about the player?
So now we're going to go there? Brown is somehow a schlub because the Ravens were willing to trade him?
SMH
Orlando Brown is a storied member of the old Browns/Ravens family. The Ravens weren't ever going to treat Brown Jr. poorly or deny him his wishes because it wasn't ever in their best interest to do so. It's not just a simple case of a player being disgruntled. It's about a guy that proved he can play a position for which they didn't have room.
NFL teams trade with whoever they can trade with to get the best offer. They don't operate the way you're suggesting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Every Chiefs trade they've made in recent history has sent the player they're trading away out of the conference.
I'd guess that's not by accident.
Now if the compensation is way out of whack, sure, take the better offer. But if it's close at all, I'd prefer not to play said guy. And if I would, don't you think that says something about the player?
Are you trying to make a correlation of Baltimore not being as high on Brown as we are and that’s why they were ok sending him to us? [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Are you trying to make a correlation of Baltimore not being as high on Brown as we are and that’s why they were ok sending him to us?
Exactly what I asked because that's what it sounds like to me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
So now we're going to go there? Brown is somehow a schlub because the Ravens were willing to trade him?
SMH
Orlando Brown is a storied member of the old Browns/Ravens family. The Ravens weren't ever going to treat Brown Jr. poorly or deny him his wishes because it wasn't ever in their best interest to do so. It's not just a simple case of a player being disgruntled. It's about a guy that proved he can play a position for which they didn't have room.
NFL teams trade with whoever they can trade with to get the best offer. They don't operate the way you're suggesting.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, but at that point it's out of my control.
Ok, lol. I don't know what else to say, you're still not getting it.
IT'S ALWAYS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL!
THAT is why you take the ONLY option that's in your control: The best possible return.
For all the Ravens know they could send Brown to the Rams, he becomes a FA the following season and the Chiefs sign him.
The end result would be the same: The Ravens have to play Brown. The difference? You took less compensation to achieve the same goddamn end result.
How the Peters situation doesn't perfectly showcase that to you is beyond me.
There are more variables than i have fingers and toes. For all anyone knows, Brown can get injured in TC and walk in the offseason. The Ravens cant control that. All they can control is max compensation.
So worrying about any other variable is just dumb. [Reply]