Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I am not surprised but don't understand why he is starting.
The Chiefs don't run plays for him to get him open. At 6'3" and 225 pounds, Gordon's potential as a threat would be best exploited in slants where he can catch balls in space and gain YAC, plus go routes where he can elevate and "out-physical" the DB to catch balls up high. Have the Chiefs called even one play for him like either of those? [Reply]
Originally Posted by davewan:
The Chiefs don't run plays for him to get him open. At 6'3" and 225 pounds, Gordon's potential as a threat would be best exploited in slants where he can catch balls in space and gain YAC, plus go routes where he can elevate and "out-physical" the DB to catch balls up high. Have the Chiefs called even one play for him like either of those?
I can agree with that. They don't run enough slants in general. I'd like to see lob passes to Gordon in the red zone but they don't trust him enough. [Reply]
Originally Posted by frozenchief:
Why can’t we catch the ball? Kielce, Pringle, and Tyreek all dropped catchable passes. those drops really screwed our offensive production. Tyreek’s ‘drop’ led to an interception.
What is going on? Are Kielce and Tyreek injured? What do we do for this season? Drafting or free agency are good answers for next season, not this one. the dropped passes aren’t such an issue with Denver but come playoffs, they will be really large.
I have no idea what is going on or why this is happening now and would love to hear any comments/suggestions.
Hill is being misused because when Mahomes throws to him, it's not in any catch and run situations anymore. Kelce is running the routes that should result in chunk yardage, but more often than not, the Chiefs aren't getting those chunk yards because Kelce's hands are unreliable. And you watch the guy's body language, it almost looks like he doesn't really care.
Pringle dropping the ball twice, let alone once last night was surprising. He has been so reliable in whatever role he's asked to play that I have to think last night was an anomoly. On one of the two drops, he just looked like he failed to secure the ball first before running.
Side note: what is it about the Chiefs running backwards after catching the ball? DeMarcus Robinson does it every single time he catches it. Tyreke does it a lot. Thornhill on the INT last night too. I swear, just go forward when you catch the ball. Stop trying to find extra yardage by running backwards. It's almost never there. [Reply]
There was a conversation last week about the Chiefs defense being 'soft' until Ingram arrived. I dunno how much merit it had - but it was an interesting discussion.
But now I'm wondering if maybe the drops aren't a result of the offense being a tick on the soft side. They're getting punched in the mouth - a LOT. Kelce's getting hit hard out there and Hill's just getting a lot of volume and taking a lot of contact in his own right. Pringle has never been asked to do this much, nor has Hardman.
Some of these drops (most of them, really) are 'focus' drops where they just don't complete the catch before they start trying to move with the ball. Could it be a 'footsteps' problem? Is Kelce just getting a little tired of getting hit? Sure looked like his drop last night had a lot to do with trying to avoid contact as he was catching it. Hill seems to be trying to be looking to get into space as he secures the ball to avoid a blow as well. And I'm pretty positive that Pringles drop was because he was sensing a hit coming.
Are some of these pass catchers just tired of getting whacked around a bit and it's impacting their focus at the catch point? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
There was a conversation last week about the Chiefs defense being 'soft' until Ingram arrived. I dunno how much merit it had - but it was an interesting discussion.
But now I'm wondering if maybe the drops aren't a result of the offense being a tick on the soft side. They're getting punched in the mouth - a LOT. Kelce's getting hit hard out there and Hill's just getting a lot of volume and taking a lot of contact in his own right. Pringle has never been asked to do this much, nor has Hardman.
Some of these drops (most of them, really) are 'focus' drops where they just don't complete the catch before they start trying to move with the ball. Could it be a 'footsteps' problem? Is Kelce just getting a little tired of getting hit? Sure looked like his drop last night had a lot to do with trying to avoid contact as he was catching it. Hill seems to be trying to be looking to get into space as he secures the ball to avoid a blow as well. And I'm pretty positive that Pringles drop was because he was sensing a hit coming.
Are some of these pass catchers just tired of getting whacked around a bit and it's impacting their focus at the catch point?
Yeah Hill isn't used to having on top of him literally every time he catches the ball so he's anticipating it and losing focus. Kelce has less space too. Used to be he would catch the ball, do the 1 juke he ALWAYS does that somehow still works 100% of the time and get a few yards upfield. Now there's two line backers waiting to hit him soon as he gets the ball.
We desperately need to take some of the pressure off of them somehow. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Yeah Hill isn't used to having on top of him literally every time he catches the ball so he's anticipating it and losing focus. Kelce has less space too. Used to be he would catch the ball, do the 1 juke he ALWAYS does that somehow still works 100% of the time and get a few yards upfield. Now there's two line backers waiting to hit him soon as he gets the ball.
We desperately need to take some of the pressure off of them somehow.
Run the ball, tighter formations and bunch WR's. Scheme guys open fast.
We are doing it better now but it seems we have about half a game worth of these plays.
Or, if we want to keep our spread look send everyone vertical except the RB and have them clear it out and dump it fast. You can run this multiple times from slightly different looks and formations. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Yeah Hill isn't used to having on top of him literally every time he catches the ball so he's anticipating it and losing focus. Kelce has less space too. Used to be he would catch the ball, do the 1 juke he ALWAYS does that somehow still works 100% of the time and get a few yards upfield. Now there's two line backers waiting to hit him soon as he gets the ball.
We desperately need to take some of the pressure off of them somehow.
Exactly.
Everyone talks about how the 2-high shell keeps defenders over the top and keeps us from getting deep. What they don't mention as part of that discussion is that it also has defenders coming downhill as the ball is caught. There's just not much space to work in and the WRs know it now.
And they're flinching a bit, IMO. They're not used to the contact and its impacting their focus. [Reply]
Everyone talks about how the 2-high shell keeps defenders over the top and keeps us from getting deep. What they don't mention as part of that discussion is that it also has defenders coming downhill as the ball is caught. There's just not much space to work in and the WRs know it now.
And they're flinching a bit, IMO. They're not used to the contact and its impacting their focus.