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Donger 08:40 AM 04-23-2007
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=afOlUzd30YOo

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

Spoiler!

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Bwana 05:37 PM 03-12-2022
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
**** driving 55

Love that song and I lived by it at the time. If the roads are clear with no ice, I still haul ass most of the time. I have to drive from Billings into WY and into onto Denver once in awhile. A good radar detector is worth it's weigh in gold. I haven't had a ticket in 30 years and that's not because I drive the speed limit.
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Bearcat 06:33 PM 03-12-2022
Originally Posted by Donger:
I was on I-17 in PHX last week, yet again. I hate that stretch of road with a passion...
The biggest problem with Phoenix drivers IMO is despite signs every fucking 10 feet, no one seems to understand the carpool lane is only the carpool lane during certain times M-F and will tailgate you at 80mph because they don't think they're allowed to move one lane over.
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Bugeater 06:47 PM 03-12-2022
Originally Posted by Donger:
How old? I've heard that any ethanol can be damaging to small engines (e.g., lawn mowers, leaf blowers). Not sure why and I'm not sure it's true. And that E85 will cause damage to the hoses in non-E85 engines and fuel systems, but not 10%

Ethanol also contains less energy than gasoline, so you do lose some mileage/gallon. But Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, so higher performance and power.
It's a '96. Years ago I had a '94 Caravan that developed leaks at the fuel rail connections and was told that it was because automakers weren't engineering cars for ethanol back then. Could be an urban myth type thing...who really knows. I do believe it's bad for small engines though, I ruined 3 carburetors on a riding lawnmower by using ethanol.
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LiveSteam 08:37 PM 03-12-2022
....................LUBRICITY
Ethanol has less lubricity than normal gas. By a mile.
Best way I can describe it is this.
Non Ethanol = 5000 grit lapping compound
Ethanol gas= 120 grit sandpaper
Then add in the H2O from Ethanol and you have a very abrasive fule.

We have this now with Diesel, thanks to a certain NO NAME removing the sulfur content. I can get around this by adding a bottle of Automatic Transmission fluid to a full tank of Diesel.
No can do with a gas engine.

And it's very true Donger.
Never run that shit Ethanol in a small engine or any engine that is naturally aspirated = carburetor, throttle body
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crayzkirk 08:45 AM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Donger:
Under normal conditions, no, vehicles don't get better MPG at higher speeds. Quite the opposite. That would be some cool physics, though.

Now, if you're cruising along at 55 MPH in a low gear pulling 5,000 RPM, you probably have the same MPG as you would in your biggest gear at 75 MPH and 2,500 RPM. But... why?
Of course I understand this... my comment was about the claim that their car gets better mileage at higher speeds. So... negative drag coefficient? Meaning if you drove fast enough, you would fill the tank with gasoline.

I had someone, who had never driven at 55, tell me that same story about how their car was 'designed' to get better mileage at higher speeds. It's true that cars today are designed to have less drag however, that doesn't change anything. It's all about the amount of work you do in the amount of time. The profile of the car doesn't change (yet) with speed.

Alcohol blended fuels cause major issues in older engines. The fuel system components, many made of rubber, are dried out by the alcohol. In boats and other vehicles which can sit for extended periods, the ethanol can phase separate and absorb water. For an old 2-cycle outboard, which uses a pre-mix fuel, this is death as the alcohol/water mixture will burn and will have no oil.

Anyways... high gasoline prices stink...
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Rasputin 11:44 AM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Bwana:
Love that song and I lived by it at the time. If the roads are clear with no ice, I still haul ass most of the time. I have to drive from Billings into WY and into onto Denver once in awhile. A good radar detector is worth it's weigh in gold. I haven't had a ticket in 30 years and that's not because I drive the speed limit.

I remember when it came out and essentially i give it most credit for states to up the speed limit to 65mph. I think that's cool to ROCK AND ROLL :-)
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crayzkirk 12:28 PM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
I remember when it came out and essentially i give it most credit for states to up the speed limit to 65mph. I think that's cool to ROCK AND ROLL :-)
The song was released in the 80s, the speed limit law was lifted in 1995...

Still one of my favorites and gets cranked whenever I hear it.
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Donger 12:52 PM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by LiveSteam:
....................LUBRICITY
Ethanol has less lubricity than normal gas. By a mile.
Best way I can describe it is this.
Non Ethanol = 5000 grit lapping compound
Ethanol gas= 120 grit sandpaper
Then add in the H2O from Ethanol and you have a very abrasive fule.

We have this now with Diesel, thanks to a certain NO NAME removing the sulfur content. I can get around this by adding a bottle of Automatic Transmission fluid to a full tank of Diesel.
No can do with a gas engine.

And it's very true Donger.
Never run that shit Ethanol in a small engine or any engine that is naturally aspirated = carburetor, throttle body
Cool, thanks.

I've always run ethanol-blended gasoline in my small motor and have never had any issues.

Naturally-aspirated has nothing to do with carburetor versus fuel injection.
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Imon Yourside 03:02 PM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Donger:
There's just no pleasing you people.
It was all your fault, now you wanna sweep in and play the hero? Not gonna happy Zedong.
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TripleThreat 03:50 PM 03-13-2022
It’s up to 6.00 where I live now.
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Rasputin 04:01 PM 03-13-2022
Do race cars use alcohol for fuel?
Image result for Do they run alcohol grain in race cars?
Most race car drivers prefer fuel that is methanol- or ethanol-based, and the reason is simple, really. Overall, alcohol-based fuel has a high octane rating which increases fuel efficiency. ... Race car engines are different than those in a regular car. They are built to get more power out of fuels with less energy.Nov 27, 2017



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If it's good for NASCAR good enough for me and cheaper. I've had my Chev Tahoe over ten years and pulled out a Ford pickup with duel back wheels stuck in the river bed. I like to brag about that. The truck has been a beast I'm wanting to sell it or something, only a few bullet holes, and I replaced back window with Plexiglas. The two passenger windows I have to keep duct taped to stay up. Driver door handle is busted but all and all the motor has been good. I don't know what to ask for but the bullet holes does give it street cred value.
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Hydrae 06:59 PM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Donger:
How old? I've heard that any ethanol can be damaging to small engines (e.g., lawn mowers, leaf blowers). Not sure why and I'm not sure it's true. And that E85 will cause damage to the hoses in non-E85 engines and fuel systems, but not 10%

Ethanol also contains less energy than gasoline, so you do lose some mileage/gallon. But Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, so higher performance and power.
My dad has a 1924 Oakland. When it was built there was no ethanol. Thankfully there are a few places like QT where we can get the right fuel.
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Chief Roundup 08:15 PM 03-13-2022
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
Do race cars use alcohol for fuel?
Image result for Do they run alcohol grain in race cars?
Most race car drivers prefer fuel that is methanol- or ethanol-based, and the reason is simple, really. Overall, alcohol-based fuel has a high octane rating which increases fuel efficiency. ... Race car engines are different than those in a regular car. They are built to get more power out of fuels with less energy.Nov 27, 2017



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If it's good for NASCAR good enough for me and cheaper. I've had my Chev Tahoe over ten years and pulled out a Ford pickup with duel back wheels stuck in the river bed. I like to brag about that. The truck has been a beast I'm wanting to sell it or something, only a few bullet holes, and I replaced back window with Plexiglas. The two passenger windows I have to keep duct taped to stay up. Driver door handle is busted but all and all the motor has been good. I don't know what to ask for but the bullet holes does give it street cred value.
You realize those engines are only used one time and then completely rebuilt or thrown away.
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Strongside 06:59 AM 03-14-2022
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
You realize those engines are only used one time and then completely rebuilt or thrown away.
Every late model/modified car at your local dirt speedway is running alcohol.
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ptlyon 07:41 AM 03-14-2022
Held steady at 4.19 over the weekend
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