Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by tk13:
I would say forcing health care workers to work while they have a highly contagious virus because your system if overwhelmed is extremely ugly, but it's a free country and you're welcome to disagree.
Now here you go with some ****ing straw man. I never said that. I never said it wasn't happening in places. I said it doesn't mean it is going to happen everywhere.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Now here you go with some ****ing straw man. I never said that. I never said it wasn't happening in places. I said it doesn't mean it is going to happen everywhere.
JFC
If this were a magic 8 ball and you asked this would it happen everywhere it would say, signs point to yes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Now here you go with some ****ing straw man. I never said that. I never said it wasn't happening in places. I said it doesn't mean it is going to happen everywhere.
JFC
There's no straw man.
-You literally said we don't know if what happened in NY will happen elsewhere. Those were your exact words.
-I said it already is.
-You disagreed. I provided a clear example of where what's happening in NY is happening elsewhere, while saying I agree this country is way too big, it's not going to happen everywhere but it will happen elsewhere. There will be pockets where it becomes a major problem
-You disagree.
-I disagree and say a health care system failing people is ugly.
-You start throwing vague terms like "straw man" at me like we're in the DC forum, but they won't save you out here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think it is debatable. What is happening in NY may happen elsewhere and may not. We cannot say for sure that what is going on in NY will happen everywhere.
Small communities are worse off. Fewer resources, far greater chance of total population interaction. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think it is debatable. What is happening in NY may happen elsewhere and may not. We cannot say for sure that what is going on in NY will happen everywhere.
Originally Posted by tk13:
There's no straw man.
-You literally said we don't know if what happened in NY will happen elsewhere. Those were your exact words.
-I said it already is.
-You disagreed. I provided a clear example of where what's happening in NY is happening elsewhere, while saying I agree this country is way too big, it's not going to happen everywhere but it will happen elsewhere. There will be pockets where it becomes a problem
-You disagree.
-I disagree and say a health care system failing people is ugly.
-You start throwing vague terms like "straw man" at me like we're in the DC forum, but they won't save you out here.
There is what I said before you started accusing me of not caring about health workers and what not. [Reply]
Fellas, I think we can all agree that this is putting tremendous strain on our health care workers. The scale, the sheer quantity, in NYC is of course not like a small town, but the suffering isn't limited to large metros. [Reply]
How do you all feel about the medical community asking for donations of standard medical necessities?
On one hand we all need to band together and help, on another I see a very rich class of people not preparing for the very things they should be prepared for to help the bottom line.
Will the medical community hospitals to be more specific be so generous as to not charge more than a nominal mark up on simple things line IVs? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
There is what I said before you started accusing me of not caring about health workers and what not.
You don't think it's ugly. That's fine. You're welcome to your opinion. There are a lot of people who think this is all stupid and want to get everything back to normal right away. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13: You don't think it's ugly. That's fine. You're welcome to your opinion. There are a lot of people who think this is all stupid and want to get everything back to normal right away.
Once again with a straw man. Again, I never said that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
Distilleries here making hand sanitzier.
Companies switching to masks. Including Mypillow.
My girlfriend made some hand sanitizer using some concoction of rubbing alcohol and other ingredients...can't profess what that is.
Unfortunately, she put it in containers that look like butt plugs, so basically it's unusable to me, because, quite honestly, I don't need those questions right now.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by mililo4cpa:
My girlfriend made some hand sanitizer using some concoction of rubbing alcohol and other ingredients...can't profess what that is.
Unfortunately, she put it in containers that look like butt plugs, so basically it's unusable to me, because, quite honestly, I don't need those questions right now....
