Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Switched metrics? I literally cited OBPM in the original post comparing the two. Just re-emphasizing just how far apart these guys are offensively when Harden isn't choking out.
But he chokes out in the playoffs. You know...the part of the season we're in. So why are you trying to use regular season stats when we know he plays differently in the playoffs? And the metrics you've provided prove that in the playoffs Giannis is a better player. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
But I thought Irving was a tagalong who couldn't lead a team to shit by himself and without Lebron he's nothing?
That's still all true. Irving was no prime Dwayne Wade (top 50 player in history) or Steph Curry (top 20 player in history and the best #2 option in the history of basketball), but he's still a far better #2 option than a 33 year old Wade whose knees were shot and had become a barely league average player by 2015. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
But he chokes out in the playoffs. You know...the part of the season we're in. So why are you trying to use regular season stats when we know he plays differently in the playoffs? And the metrics you've provided prove that in the playoffs Giannis is a better player.
Because you asked why I believed Harden is a better offensive superstar than Giannis. The answer was because, over a large and much more meaningful sample of games, he simply is. When he isn't shitting himself due to the pressure, he blows Giannis out of the water. If he ever decided to not do that in the playoffs (and it is conceivable), he/the Rockets could beat that team because of that offensive ability and the superior analytical Rockets system. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Because you asked why I believed Harden is a better offensive superstar than Giannis. The answer was because, over a large and much more meaningful sample of games, he simply is. When he isn't shitting himself due to the pressure, he blows Giannis out of the water.
But we're talking about playoffs... Why would how Harden plays in the regular season matter if he shits the bed in the playoffs each time? A player that's consistent from regular season to post season is the better offensive superstar. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
That's still all true. Irving was no prime Dwayne Wade (top 50 player in history) or Steph Curry (top 20 player in history and the best #2 option in the history of basketball), but he's still a far better #2 option than a 33 year old Wade whose knees were shot and had become a barely league average player by 2015.
So we're back to LeBron leaving because he didn't feel comfortable with his titles. If he did, he would have stayed and rode Wade out until Wade truly became ineffective. And seeing as the Heat won 48 games on 2015, they still would have contended for titles for at least 2-3 more years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
But we're talking about playoffs... Why would how Harden plays in the regular season matter if he shits the bed in the playoffs each time? A player that's consistent from regular season to post season is the better offensive superstar.
It matters for the purposes of explaining why/how Harden is a better offensive player than Giannis when all things are considered equal. That Harden is a choker in the playoffs regularly had nothing to do with that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
So we're back to LeBron leaving because he didn't feel comfortable with his titles. If he did, he would have stayed and rode Wade out until Wade truly became ineffective. And seeing as the Heat won 48 games on 2015, they still would have contended for titles for at least 2-3 more years.
LeBron didn't leave because he didn't feel comfortable with his titles. He left because leaving was the only route to winning another.
Which, of course, is the complete opposite decision to Durant leaving the greatest dynasty the league has ever seen (and the guaranteed titles that would bring) to save his legacy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Not much different than LeBron returning to Cleveland to save his legacy from The Decision.
Wade's WS/48 was 0.86, his BPM 1.6 and his VORP 1.6 the year after LeBron left (for reference, it was .227, 6.3, and 3.5 only three years before that when they won their first title). PJ Tucker was more valuable than him that year.
If Wade never declines to that extreme extent, Miami keeps winning titles and LeBron likely plays in Miami for at least another 4-5 years. He wasn't concerned about saving his legacy in going to Cleveland, he was concerned about winning. [Reply]
LeBron's the one that said he wanted to bring a title to Cleveland. After his ridiculously egotistical 'Decision' television special that soured his standing in the league for years it's no wonder. I'd have felt like shit too. Of course, he eventually just fucked off to Los Angeles to get fat and happy on movie money, so good for him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Wade's WS/48 was 0.86, his BPM 1.6 and his VORP 1.6 the year after LeBron left (for reference, it was .227, 6.3, and 3.5 only three years before that when they won their first title). PJ Tucker was more valuable than him that year.
If Wade never declines to that extreme extent, Miami keeps winning titles and LeBron likely plays in Miami for at least another 4-5 years. He wasn't concerned about saving his legacy in going to Cleveland, he was concerned about winning.
Lies^^^
Wade was the only reason they had a shot against Dallas in the ‘11 finals.
