Dark for a marvel movie also. I wasn't expecting that.
Spoilers.
So Wanda bad. Then good. Then crazy. Then Insanely bad?
I rolled my eyes that Richards and bolt who are more powerful than marvel and cap get wasted in seconds. But cap and the marvel last a whole lot longer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
I rolled my eyes that Richards and bolt who are more powerful than marvel and cap get wasted in seconds. But cap and the marvel last a whole lot longer.
I'm not sure Black Bolt is more powerful than Captain Marvel in the MCU. Reed definitely isn't if he's based even loosely on the comic book version.
Those two getting wasted first made sense given the circumstances, though. Black Bolt was making a move to speak so she put a stop to that, then Reed immediately attacked her so she did the same.
Peggy Carter should have been a complete non-factor, for sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
It was good. Not great. Fun summer marvel movie.
Dark for a marvel movie also. I wasn't expecting that.
Spoilers.
So Wanda bad. Then good. Then crazy. Then Insanely bad?
I rolled my eyes that Richards and bolt who are more powerful than marvel and cap get wasted in seconds. But cap and the marvel last a whole lot longer.
Yeah, I think that's the part that I had the most trouble with:
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We left Wandavision with Wanda feeling super ashamed at what she had done and seeming like she was back to "good guy" Wanda. Then this movie goes straight into Wanda as the bad guy? I don't mind the turn, and I don't think it's out of character at all, but it felt like it needed more time to get us there. Obviously good Wanda is inside, so a little time fleshing out bad Wanda taking over would have gone a long way.
I was also a bit disappointed with how it (didn't) tie in more closely with No Way Home:
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The implication of NWH was that Strange had opened up the multiverse through his spell gone wrong. But in this one, everyone was immediately just like "Oh yeah, those are a thing. No big deal." It didn't feel like the Spiderman plot had anything to do with it at all.
I guess in summary, I thought the plot of this one on its own was reasonably good, but the connections to the other films were much weaker than we've come to expect. It worries me a bit in terms of signs for the future, but hopefully they'll prove me wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Yeah, I think that's the part that I had the most trouble with:
Spoiler!
We left Wandavision with Wanda feeling super ashamed at what she had done and seeming like she was back to "good guy" Wanda. Then this movie goes straight into Wanda as the bad guy? I don't mind the turn, and I don't think it's out of character at all, but it felt like it needed more time to get us there. Obviously good Wanda is inside, so a little time fleshing out bad Wanda taking over would have gone a long way.
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I guess the idea is that the Darkhold has been corrupting Wanda in the time between Wandavision and MoM, which, in order to fit No Way Home, would have to be at least a year.
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[spoiler]I was also a bit disappointed with how it (didn't) tie in more closely with No Way Home:
Spoiler!
The implication of NWH was that Strange had opened up the multiverse through his spell gone wrong. But in this one, everyone was immediately just like "Oh yeah, those are a thing. No big deal." It didn't feel like the Spiderman plot had anything to do with it at all.
I guess in summary, I thought the plot of this one on its own was reasonably good, but the connections to the other films were much weaker than we've come to expect. It worries me a bit in terms of signs for the future, but hopefully they'll prove me wrong.
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Probably the main reason for all of this is that Multiverse of Madness was originally supposed to come out first, before both Wandavision and No Way Home. The 1-2 punch of changing directors and the pandemic forced them to shuffle things around, and they had to scrap a lot of the original version of MoM. I don't think Wanda was even supposed to be the main villain originally.
You can see some seams in No Way Home too, with the characterization of Strange and Ned randomly being able to open portals. That was supposed to be America Chavez.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Yeah, I think that's the part that I had the most trouble with:
Marvel is going to use Wanda as their Gene Grey Phoenix saga. They'll play this out until a generation has gone by before they, inevitably, remake the Phoenix saga... [Reply]
Thought it was great. Way better than the Batman which really pisses me off that DC can't put out movies as good as Dr Strange outside of Nolans Batman trilogy. [Reply]
