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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Discuss Thrower 08:06 PM 03-23-2020
"Just a month"


It'd be one thing if people were being honest.
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Donger 08:07 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
No the math doesn't support you and you have already started your pivot with the "we probably should have locked down under H1N1". Yet you say apples and oranges in other comments, no hypocrisy here right?

Yes H1N1 originated in Mexico ( I stand corrected) but blew up in the US.

Edit: We won't agree, I get it. Good night I won't wreck this thread any further with Donger.
Yes, it does. I've given you the R0 and CFR of both. They aren't remotely comparable. If you understood the meaning and importance of those figures, and had the ability to do simple math, you'd understand why we've taken the actions we have.

But yes, please don't wreck this thread again.
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Discuss Thrower 08:15 PM 03-23-2020

People in China need a green light from an app in order to move around the country https://t.co/xJYoExSoj8

— Bloomberg (@business) March 24, 2020

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FAX 08:15 PM 03-23-2020
Some of you may find this of interest ...

Yesterday, I had a fairly long conversation with a friend who happens to be a pharmacist currently employed by Walgreens. I've known this guy for a very long time and he is legit and honest.

He said that their pharmacy has recently been inundated with prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine. He gave two brief examples; 1) 2 scripts presented simultaneously for 17-year old and 16-year old sisters (from 1 doctor) and 2) a 50-year old male who was taking blood pressure meds. These customers had records at Walgreens but nothing that indicated any need for this particular drug.

It has now reached the point that the pharmacists are forced to call the doctors and ask that they provide a clear diagnosis of some approved justification for prescribing this drug (like arthritis or malaria or whatever). They are doing this because their supply of hydroxychloroquine for approved use is now well below the threshold they consider necessary to provide for their existing customers.

FAX
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Perineum Ripper 08:16 PM 03-23-2020
Will you guys take the pissing match to another thread or to private messages, please.



I hate checking this thread to see people fucking arguing instead of posting news, and it’s normally the same people arguing
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BossChief 08:18 PM 03-23-2020
Donger needs to learn how to do a fatality
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SupDock 08:18 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by FAX:
Some of you may find this of interest ...

Yesterday, I had a fairly long conversation with a friend who happens to be a pharmacist currently employed by Walgreens. I've known this guy for a very long time and he is legit and honest.

He said that their pharmacy has recently been inundated with prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine. He gave two brief examples; 1) 2 scripts presented simultaneously for 17-year old and 16-year old sisters (from 1 doctor) and 2) a 50-year old male who was taking blood pressure meds. These customers had records at Walgreens but nothing that indicated any need for this particular drug.

It has now reached the point that the pharmacists are forced to call the doctors and ask that they provide a clear diagnosis of some approved justification for prescribing this drug (like arthritis or malaria or whatever). They are doing this because their supply of hydroxychloroquine for approved use is now well below the threshold they consider necessary to provide for their existing customers.

FAX
This is worrisome. In general we should not prescribing this on an outpatient basis. There is not nearly enough evidence to support this behavior
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FAX 08:21 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
This is worrisome. In general we should not prescribing this on an outpatient basis. There is not nearly enough evidence to support this behavior
Worrisome? Yes. Utter madness? Also, yes.

Apparently, doctors make a bit of coin each time they write or phone in a prescription.

FAX
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BossChief 08:23 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by FAX:
Worrisome? Yes. Utter madness? Also, yes.

Apparently, doctors make a bit of coin each time they write or phone in a prescription.

FAX
Most medicines, yes.
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SupDock 08:25 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Most medicines, yes.
This is incorrect. Other than by virtue of the fact that prescribing a medication changes the complexity of a visit type in some cases

Generally it makes no difference.

For instance, treating strep throat with antibiotics is the same visit type as seeing a URI case with no prescription.
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Donger 08:26 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by mac459:
Will you guys take the pissing match to another thread or to private messages, please.



I hate checking this thread to see people ****ing arguing instead of posting news, and it’s normally the same people arguing
It's correcting information, but I fully understand. I'm done.
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Chief Roundup 08:29 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
This is incorrect. Other than by virtue of the fact the prescribing a medication changes the complexity of a visit type in some cases

Generally it makes no difference
I am not a Doctor but my ex-wife worked for one for over 20 years. They absolutely get kick backs from certain drug companies. They most certainly get commissions from big pharma companies. I know that the Doctor she worked for got them constantly. It was part of the reason he steered people certain directions in med choices and diagnosis.
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Monticore 08:33 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I am not a Doctor but my ex-wife worked for one for over 20 years. They absolutely get kick backs from certain drug companies. They most certainly get commissions from big pharma companies. I know that the Doctor she worked for got them constantly. It was part of the reason he steered people certain directions in med choices and diagnosis.
Doesn’t work like that in Canada not saying it’s good or bad just saying
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SupDock 08:33 PM 03-23-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I am not a Doctor but my ex-wife worked for one for over 20 years. They absolutely get kick backs from certain drug companies. They most certainly get commissions from big pharma companies. I know that the Doctor she worked for got them constantly. It was part of the reason he steered people certain directions in med choices and diagnosis.
I can't speak for how it was, but there are free lunches on occasion for hearing about a new drug . I'm not aware of any drug company paying individuals for prescribing meds. You can actually look up any provider to see how they have been compensated by drug companies.

This information is reported, and can be searched by anyone.

https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov

The major outlier would be subspecialists getting compensated for giving talks about a drug to a group of physicians at a conference.
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Donger 08:37 PM 03-23-2020
Great news out of Italy. Second consecutive day of a thousand fewer news cases. Unfortunately, Spain and Germany had the opposite.
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