The various movies obviously deserve their own threads once things actually start moving on them, but it seems like we should have a place just for general discussion about what they're planning. So here ya go. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.
I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.
It really surprised me because I was just watching it because it was new on Disney+, but I really enjoyed Shang-Chi. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRichard:
Yeah, Shang-Chi is pretty damn good. One of the better more recent movies. A lot of the shit recently has been horrible.
"Aqua-fina" broad was a useless character and should've been killed. All the other female characters were awesome. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.
I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.
Prepare to be bored to death by Eternals. I spent more time on my phone than I did actually watching the movie. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.
I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.
Black Widow is a good story with very good acting. Some fun fight scenes.
Eternals is an absolutely bananas plot with okay writing and varied acting. At least one top-tier fight scene -- it's fantastic. You'll know it when you see it.
Shang-Chi and Ant Man 2 have their moments but the writing is just up and down across the board. Shang-Chi does have a fantastic fight scene.
Ant Man 2:
Spoiler!
Ant Man 2 just suffers from a huge Scott Lang problem. After the first Ant Man, there really is no reason for him to keep putting on the suit other than the MCU just needs him to. Of course, they have an even better character for the role in the Wasp, both thematically and in fighting acumen, but they can't bring themselves to fully commit to her.
Add into that all the plot rigamarole -- we gotta have a conflict here, we gotta have another conflict there -- and a ridiculous deux ex machina that I'm guessing will completely vanish in Ant Man 3. I just don't like the movie at all.
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
"Aqua-fina" broad was a useless character and should've been killed. All the other female characters were awesome.
Or she could have been fleshed out more, right?
There's a reason the "best friend" role exists -- they provide context and levity and all the things the main character can't do.
She could do a lot of that if they had built her a bit more. The writing of the movie was insanely interested in Ta Lo and the Mandorin and the legend of the Ten Rings. Which, fine. Then just excise the character you're not interested in. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Raiderhater:
Prepare to be bored to death by Eternals. I spent more time on my phone than I did actually watching the movie.
Spoiler!
I think this movie had potential to be a bizarre epic, but I struggled to understand literally every decision in the movie.
There's little to no reason for some of these characters. Sprite and Druig play almost no role in the movie and could have been excised completely. Gilgamesh is largely useless as well but gives you a bodycount. It's possible you could ax Thena as well, but Angelina Jolie was great in the role -- honestly, you could have just had her serve the dark role of Ajax. Selma Hayek was wrong for that role, and Jolie always has a dark undercurrent to her that fits the Ajax role better.
The film made two great decisions, and that's having Sersi operate basically as the protagonist, and Ikaris change sides and act as the antagonist. Gemma Chan and Richard Madden crush it.
Their decision to basically bench Kingo for the 3rd act was bizarre; perhaps it was true to the selfishness of the role, but he was an Eternal tasked with Earth, how did that selfishness come about? Why did we spend half the movie rounding up characters? What the hell was up with that evolved Deviant? Even a Celestial emerging slightly from the ocean would destroy Earth -- how did it not destroy Earth? (I've read from some theorists online that Tiamut sided with the Celestials and therefore willing allowed him(?)self to be transformed, but that's not even hinted at in the movie.) Kit Harrington had nothing to do.
There's just a lot to work with here, and maybe because the plot was so off the wall nontraditional, they didn't even know how to go about and fix it up. But that's a major failure.
The Ikaris fight with Thena/Sersi/Makkari/Phastos is one of the best in the MCU, hands down, and some of the casting decisions were phenomenal. All of the Celestial appearances are awesome, they feed the MCU and really give the movie an epic feel. It's shot beautifully, and again, I think the plot is just fantastic because it's so out of left field.
I just think some of the casting decisions, movie decisions, and writing was so weird and didn't fully work.
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
Or she could have been fleshed out more, right?
There's a reason the "best friend" role exists -- they provide context and levity and all the things the main character can't do.
She could do a lot of that if they had built her a bit more. The writing of the movie was insanely interested in Ta Lo and the Mandorin and the legend of the Ten Rings. Which, fine. Then just excise the character you're not interested in.
I mean they pretty much took Iron Fist's origin and grafted it onto Shang-Chi. Marvel turned into what should of been their version of The Raid into another boring cgi fest. [Reply]
I think this movie had potential to be a bizarre epic, but I struggled to understand literally every decision in the movie.
There's little to no reason for some of these characters. Sprite and Druig play almost no role in the movie and could have been excised completely. Gilgamesh is largely useless as well but gives you a bodycount. It's possible you could ax Thena as well, but Angelina Jolie was great in the role -- honestly, you could have just had her serve the dark role of Ajax. Selma Hayek was wrong for that role, and Jolie always has a dark undercurrent to her that fits the Ajax role better.
The film made two great decisions, and that's having Sersi operate basically as the protagonist, and Ikaris change sides and act as the antagonist. Gemma Chan and Richard Madden crush it.
Their decision to basically bench Kingo for the 3rd act was bizarre; perhaps it was true to the selfishness of the role, but he was an Eternal tasked with Earth, how did that selfishness come about? Why did we spend half the movie rounding up characters? What the hell was up with that evolved Deviant? Even a Celestial emerging slightly from the ocean would destroy Earth -- how did it not destroy Earth? (I've read from some theorists online that Tiamut sided with the Celestials and therefore willing allowed him(?)self to be transformed, but that's not even hinted at in the movie.) Kit Harrington had nothing to do.
There's just a lot to work with here, and maybe because the plot was so off the wall nontraditional, they didn't even know how to go about and fix it up. But that's a major failure.
The Ikaris fight with Thena/Sersi/Makkari/Phastos is one of the best in the MCU, hands down, and some of the casting decisions were phenomenal. All of the Celestial appearances are awesome, they feed the MCU and really give the movie an epic feel. It's shot beautifully, and again, I think the plot is just fantastic because it's so out of left field.
I just think some of the casting decisions, movie decisions, and writing was so weird and didn't fully work.
This website has some ideas, some I like more than others, about how they'd fix the Eternals.
Originally Posted by Bowser:
I won't lie, I was kind of hoping for John Krasinski and Emily Blunt to play Reed and Susan Richards. They just feel like naturals for those roles.
Unless of course they're going to do some semblance of the Council of Reeds, but that may be WAY too advanced for Phase 5.