Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The math isn't correct or else China would have been 100% infected more than a month ago instead of declining and back to normal for the most part.
Its not an exponential curve. There is a limit to how many people each person comes into contact with inside their social circle. Thats why social distancing is effective.
I hope you are right and we get lucky. I guess we will start finding out next week.
China btw is getting back to work their emissions has dramatically increased the last few days. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Spott:
I got the same thing from my employer, but I believe a lot of it was because employees either wanted to stay at home and didn’t like the idea of having to come to work during something like this or they were unsure if they were going to get locked down. They are union like we are, so the company may have had to respond to many of these grievances/concerns by sending a notification to everyone reminding them of their job status.
It's a result of the people who bought into the whole "Fake news" bullshit. [Reply]
Today was my last day at work for a while. My oncologist agreed that I need to self-isolate outside of infusion days for my chemo. I told my boss and he was extremely understanding. I feel very lucky, but I'm also scared. All of this bad news is becoming more and more worrisome for me.
The only thing I want to do at this point is just spend time with my wife and girls. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Today was my last day at work for a while. My oncologist agreed that I need to self-isolate outside of infusion days for my chemo. I told my boss and he was extremely understanding. I feel very lucky, but I'm also scared. All of this bad news is becoming more and more worrisome for me.
The only thing I want to do at this point is just spend time with my wife and girls.
Hang in there man. We're all pulling for you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The math isn't correct or else China would have been 100% infected more than a month ago instead of declining and back to normal for the most part.
Its not an exponential curve. There is a limit to how many people each person comes into contact with inside their social circle. Thats why social distancing is effective.
I don’t disagree that social distancing can alter the math. Or that herd immunity will further stunt the spread. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I hope you are right and we get lucky. I guess we will start finding out next week.
China btw is getting back to work their emissions has dramatically increased the last few days.
All I can say is this, we are at 250,000 cases world wide 3+ months into this.
China is trending down along with many other countries that had this early.
This far into H1N1 the US alone had 1 million cases. I cant see how the math gets this to these crazy ass predictions we keep seeing like 28MM people in California are going to be infected.
If that is the case this diseases isn't that deadly. The math simply does not add up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
All I can say is this, we are at 250,000 cases world wide 3+ months into this.
China is trending down along with many other countries that had this early.
This far into H1N1 the US alone had 1 million cases. I cant see how the math gets this to these crazy ass predictions we keep seeing like 28MM people in California are going to be infected.
If that is the case this diseases isn't that deadly. The math simply does not add up.
The paper out of China I posted last night (grain of salt) kinda says the opposite in terms of transmit ability but that means there’s a shit fuck ton of people who have it and have no symptoms or mild symptoms.
That sucks because you can take it to people who may not have that ability but it also means we’ll get to immunity faster and it’ll burn out faster [Reply]
In the time it would take to identify 25 million people being infected, a ton of them would have already dropped dead or would have been sick and recovered.
I think it was a bit irresponsible to throw out that number. Then shortly after to put the entire state on a "shelter in place" policy. Almost like one was said to help justify the other. [Reply]