So there's an article on NFL network saying that Orlando Brown is expected to sign for 6 years $145 mil.
That comes to $24.16 mil/yr and makes him the highest paid offensive lineman in football. It also would give him the 19th highest salary per year in the NFL
How would you feel if that is the contract he ended up signing?
I'm fine with it. He is a top 5 LT and he's only 26 next season. A young great LT is a guy you can't let leave. [Reply]
The experience of watching Hill live is irreplaceable. But his numbers certainly aren't. The fact that he's so electric and exciting is what is making people think that it is impossible to replicate 1200 yards and 9 touchdowns but that can be done fairly easily. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Well...there's alot to unpack here.
As good as Tyreek has been and probably would be here, he's a WR. We've seen Andy be able to get WR's of lesser talent than Tyreek play well at alot cheaper contractually.
WR in today's NFL, like it or not, has been made alot easier to be successful at because of the rules and changes to the game. So that being the case, it would theoretically make sense to go a different direction.
Tyreek is also no spring chicken anymore. He's not likely to go off a cliff in the next couple, but with a monster contract like that, it has to factor in.
Then you have the LT spot, which Andy seems to highly value. They feel (apparently) that Brown is young and upcoming in this offense and will grow into a premier player there (arguably is already).
So that, plus the leverage he has in that there are only so many people in the world that can play LT in the NFL and they aren't easy to find, kinda changes situations.
Just look at DeAndre Hopkins a couple years ago versus now.
Things change quickly in the NFL when you approach 30 (at positions like WR). [Reply]
So the three picks we got for Hill the Chiefs traded and turned into McDuffie, Skyy Moore and Kinnard. Then we have a fourth and a sixth next season. Do I have that right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
So the three picks we got for Hill the Chiefs traded and turned into McDuffie, Skyy Moore and Kinnard. Then we have a fourth and a sixth next season. Do I have that right?
We also included an additional 3rd we got from the Poles hiring.
So it's not a direct 1-1, but if you wipe out next year's 4th and some of the chaff in the deal, just saying that we got McDuffie, Moore and Kinnard for Hill is probably about as fair as you can reasonably break down, yes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
The experience of watching Hill live is irreplaceable. But his numbers certainly aren't. The fact that he's so electric and exciting is what is making people think that it is impossible to replicate 1200 yards and 9 touchdowns but that can be done fairly easily.
His numbers were low because for whatever reason Reid and Mahomes couldn't figure out how to exploit defenses that were dead set on stopping Hill. That allowed defenses to keep 2 people on him no matter what and even with that he still had a great year.
When you have 1200 yards and 9 touchdowns against defenses that change how they play specifically for you, that's a great season.
But this isn't about Hill. Do you guys really want to make Orlando the highest paid LT simply because he's holding us at gunpoint? You guys aren't even bringing up how good he is as a reason to give him that deal. It's all "well he has the leverage". It's like the Frank Clark situation where he had the leverage in negotiations because we had already traded for him and HAD to give him a big deal. It's just a bad way of doing business IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
His numbers were low because for whatever reason Reid and Mahomes couldn't figure out how to exploit defenses that were dead set on stopping Hill. That allowed defenses to keep 2 people on him no matter what and even with that he still had a great year.
When you have 1200 yards and 9 touchdowns against defenses that change how they play specifically for you, that's a great season.
But this isn't about Hill. Do you guys really want to make Orlando the highest paid LT simply because he's holding us at gunpoint? You guys aren't even bringing up how good he is as a reason to give him that deal. It's all "well he has the leverage". It's like the Frank Clark situation where he had the leverage in negotiations because we had already traded for him and HAD to give him a big deal. It's just a bad way of doing business IMO.
He’s a top 12 LT. That’s a very valuable position.
Is it a great return on investment? No, but when the alternative is shit…you are stuck.
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Do you pay 200k for a 2017 Toyota Camry?
Brown Jr was an above average LT last year in a new system. 14th by PFF but top 12-13 IMO with top 10 potential as he gets comfortable as we saw late in the season.
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Good car but why would you do that
We saw what happened when Patrick had bad OL play. I’d rather we make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Brown Jr was an above average LT last year in a new system. 14th by PFF but top 12-13 IMO with top 10 potential as he gets comfortable as we saw late in the season.
We saw what happened when Patrick had bad OL play. I’d rather we make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Part of him being comfortable was us changing our offensive system towards quicker hitting plays and Mahomes not taking dropping back as deep or us having longer developing plays. It wasn't him just improving and becoming better. We had to adjust because otherwise he would have gotten Mahomes killed too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
Part of him being comfortable was us changing our offensive system towards quicker hitting plays and Mahomes not taking dropping back as deep or us having longer developing plays.
We changed our offense bc teams took away the deep pass, not because of Orlando Brown Jr.
And good. Patrick shouldn’t be dropping back 12 yards. It isn’t sustainable for any LT.
Originally Posted by -King-:
It wasn't him just improving and becoming better. We had to adjust because otherwise he would have gotten Mahomes killed too.
He was fine. He had like 3 bad games and you guys point to them despite playing well the entire rest of the season. We’re were 3rd in yards and 4th in points on offense last year.
Dude struggled in his first game in a new system against the best DE in football and ya’ll think that means he isn’t good [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
We changed our offense bc teams took away the deep pass, not because of Orlando Brown Jr.
And good. Patrick shouldn’t be dropping back 12 yards. It isn’t sustainable for any LT.
He was fine. He had like 3 bad games and you guys point to them despite playing well the entire rest of the season. We’re were 3rd in yards and 4th in points on offense last year.
Dude struggled in his first game in a new system against the best DE in football and ya’ll think that means he isn’t good
I never said he's not good. He's just not good enough to demand what he's demanding. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
I never said he's not good. He's just not good enough to demand what he's demanding.
Tell us where to go to get a cheaper replacement LT who is as good if not better than Brown, and I’ll be right with you on the “Don’t pay him!!!” train [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Tell us where to go to get a cheaper replacement LT who is as good if not better than Brown, and I’ll be right with you on the “Don’t pay him!!!” train
This season? We're stuck at this point so either pay him or call his bluff. Next season all options are open. If you believe you have to be in the top 15 to get a good LT, we have ammo to move up. Or we can sign one or trade for one.
But does anyone really think he'll hold out through the season if we don't sign him to an elite tier contract? How would that help him? [Reply]