Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
We didn't split anything. Like so many other countless football programs last century, we were #1 in the AP and Coaches Poll at year's end.
When was the last time (or the first time) an NCAA basketball champion was crowned based on polls?
I guess if every team that finished #1 in the polls was named the natty champ, we'd have a hell of a lot of natty champs, no? Would Kansas have more or less based on that? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
In the absence of a championship game, the only way to determine who the best team was that I can see is to look at the polls. If that same method was good enough for college football for a century, it's good enough for me.
It's a total dogshit method and just because something was dogshit for a century doesn't mean it be used elsewhere. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
Just because they're the best regular season team doesn't mean they would have won the title.
So since there was no tourney Kansas should host a regular season title. Not sure what form that takes, or what, but it’s baloney to just toss out a consensus #1 finish after a completed regular season as “sorry, doesn’t count, boo hoo”
Alabama claims a FB title after they finished #1 in the final poll. Then, lost their bowl game, back when the polls weren’t don’t after bowl games. But after the regular season
Have you hit their boards to tell them to take that phony title down? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
So since there was no tourney Kansas should host a regular season title. Not sure what form that takes, or what, but it’s baloney to just toss out a consensus #1 finish after a completed regular season as “sorry, doesn’t count, boo hoo”
Alabama claims a FB title after they finished #1 in the final poll. Then, lost their bowl game, back when the polls weren’t don’t after bowl games. But after the regular season
Have you hit their boards to tell them to take that phony title down?
I live in Tuscaloosa and give my friends shit for it every time I can. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
Yes, and are we going to note that Baylor was still 3rd overall according to Kenpom and split with Kansas head to head?
Or does that not fit your narrative?
KU (30.23 AdjEM)
Gonzaga (26.95 AdjEM)
Baylor (25.49 AdjEM)
I appreciate you may not be familiar with the meaning of these numbers but that is an enormous gulf. Only 2002 Duke, 2004 Duke, 2008 KU, 2011 OSU, and 2018 Villanova had a bigger gulf between them and the next best team in the KenPom era (2002 to now).
There is absolutely no question that KU was leaps and bounds ahead of any other team in the country in 2020. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
KU (30.23 AdjEM)
Gonzaga (26.95 AdjEM)
Baylor (25.49 AdjEM)
I appreciate you may not be familiar with the meaning of these numbers but that is an enormous gulf. Only 2002 Duke, 2004 Duke, 2008 KU, 2011 OSU, and 2018 Villanova had a bigger gulf between them and the next best team in the KenPom era (2002 to now).
There is absolutely no question that KU was leaps and bounds ahead of any other team in the country in 2020.
Dude, Kenpom has Tennessee as the #4 team in the country right now. I think Kenpom, BPI, Torvik, NET are all insightful. But data itself needs to be put in context and used a source for decision making or thought processing. Not token black and white. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
The polls determined who the national champion was for a century in college football without a "championship game." Why wouldn't that be the case in basketball if such a game wasn't played?
Weird. ncaa.com doesn't list Kansas as the 2020 champ. I wonder why?
Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
Dude, Kenpom has Tennessee as the #4 team in the country right now.
And? What tells me is that college basketball is in a down year and basically any team in the top 10 can win.
Originally Posted by :
I think Kenpom, BPI, Torvik, NET are all insightful. But data itself needs to be put in context and used a source for decision making or thought processing. Not token black and white.
That's why KU won the title in 2020 because they finished #1 in the polls, not because the finished #1 by far in all the data-based metrics. [Reply]
Well that makes sense because KU didn't win the "NCAA Men's Basketball Championship" that year (which wasn't held for reasons that are still unclear to me), but they were still that season's champions by virtue of their #1 season-ending position in the AP and Coaches Poll. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
All of them. KU was so far and away the best team in the country in 2020 that it is laughable anybody would try to contest that they weren't. We're going for 3 titles in 4 years in a few weeks.
Has every team that finished #1 in the polls won the championship?
If so, maybe i can claim the '14-'15 "undefeated" year. I think you're on to something. :-) [Reply]
