Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by oaklandhater:
are we allowed to post host plans in here or do I need to move this to DC
This #COVID19 proposal out of the house financial committee is really good:
- 2k/month per person every month of the crisis - suspension of all mortgages, student loans, credit card and loan payments - prohibit debt collection and repossession - $5b in homeless assistance pic.twitter.com/qX5IOwHWnS
Originally Posted by oaklandhater:
are we allowed to post host plans in here or do I need to move this to DC
This #COVID19 proposal out of the house financial committee is really good:
- 2k/month per person every month of the crisis - suspension of all mortgages, student loans, credit card and loan payments - prohibit debt collection and repossession - $5b in homeless assistance pic.twitter.com/qX5IOwHWnS
A lot of what I was advocating for. If you're going to shut down the economy for a reason like this you need to simply freeze things while providing money for food/medicine/essentials. I'm a big believer in capitalism, but this is going to punch everyone's lights out.
Tons of questions about how you restart the economy after this (the politicians are going to do everything in their power - on both sides - to screw it up because that's what they do) but you have to stop collections at all levels until this is over. [Reply]
On closer read they should really not being trying to administer through government agencies some of these provisions. And to be clear I'm not a big fan of this but if you're going to turn off the economy you need something like this in place for people to make it over the next 5-18 months. There's a ton of detail missing -- will be interesting to see this get batted around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
China's suppression of the existence outbreak absolutely reflects poorly on them.
But when experts world wide started sounding the alarm mid January and early February they were mostly ignored.
I think history will judge America's initial head in the sand response harshly.
Good point. I mean lets be real they don't care how it reflects on them. They are Communists. Not like they are looking to be Mr Popular in the first place.
Overall, what they doing appears to be working. [Reply]
Can I speak to the effect rather than my opinion on it?
In many ways, it's self-fulfilling. Businesses that might have tried to make a go of it to give them a running start when the economy kicks back up will really have no choice but to close up shop. With their employees all eligible for significant support from the government and with the ability to forego any/all payments on outstanding obligations, they'll have no problem laying them off.
I'll be honest, in many ways that would be easier for us. But it would make getting this economy back off the ground in any sort of timely matter incredibly difficult.
You're talking about a true halt to the private economy and an almost completely government funded country for an extended period of time. ESPECIALLY if they define 'pandemic' via the WHO, who will continue to monitor the global spread rather than simply its impact on the United States. That label could stick for a year or longer.
I mean...that thing is truly a kill switch for the economy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Can I speak to the effect rather than my opinion on it?
In many ways, it's self-fulfilling. Businesses that might have tried to make a go of it to give them a running start when the economy kicks back up will really have no choice but to close up shop. With their employees all eligible for significant support from the government and with the ability to forego any/all payments on outstanding obligations, they'll have no problem laying them off.
I'll be honest, in many ways that would be easier for us. But it would make getting this economy back off the ground in any sort of timely matter incredibly difficult.
You're talking about a true halt to the private economy and an almost completely government funded country for an extended period of time. ESPECIALLY if they define 'pandemic' via the WHO, who will continue to monitor the global spread rather than simply its impact on the United States. That label could stick for a year or longer.
I mean...that thing is truly a kill switch for the economy.
Killswitch is the right word for it.
But if you open this box up you either go all the way or you don’t accomplish much for the dollars you’re throwing at it.
The fear is once you open this box there is no way you go back to the old system. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Killswitch is the right word for it.
But if you open this box up you either go all the way or you don’t accomplish much for the dollars you’re throwing at it.
The fear is once you open this box there is no way you go back to the old system.
Without question.
And you've devalued the dollar significantly in the process.
Side effects may not justify the cure on this one. This is an EXTREME measure and if that's the direction they go, they had better have some really good fucking science that says "we do this or several million people WILL die..."
Not might die, but will. This isn't the thing you do to pre-emptively address a calamity, it's something you do to avoid an imminent one. This will fundamentally alter this nation and perhaps permanently.
If there's a way to do ANYTHING other than this, then you cannot do this. I'm truly floored by the transformation of our economy proposed in that legislation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Without question.
And you've devalued the dollar significantly in the process.
Side effects may not justify the cure on this one. This is an EXTREME measure and if that's the direction they go, they had better have some really good ****ing science that says "we do this or several million people WILL die..."
Not might die, but will. This isn't the thing you do to pre-emptively address a calamity, it's something you do to avoid an imminent one. This will fundamentally alter this nation and perhaps permanently.
If there's a way to do ANYTHING other than this, then you cannot do this. I'm truly floored by the transformation of our economy proposed in that legislation.
You know for once I actually agree with something you posted. I think this economic package is a bit much and should only be used as a last resort.
However, I don't think millions have to die in order for USA to do something drastic. You fail to mention how if this virus continues to spread even if millions don't die the stress it will put on our healthcare system would be horrible.
We barely have enough doctors and nurses as it is if our hospitals continue to get filled up because of sick patients it could be a disaster. Not to mention doctors and nurses will probably get sick from the CoronaVirus as well. [Reply]
