Originally Posted by Shoes:
Can someone who played the game comment on how the game compares to the series in regards to the information Joel is given at the hospital?
Spoilers on last night's episode below.
Spoiler!
In the series, Joel is essentially given 30 seconds of dialogue regarding why Ellie is going into surgery but it seems like it is anything but a a sure thing.
To me the finale is all about portraying Joel as a conflicted protagonist. He's obviously an anti-hero from the beginning but takes a major step of serving his own purposes and desires as he saves Ellie since he obviously loves and cares for her.
I find it hard to disagree with his actions though when the audience is not fully aware of the Firefly's homework in regards to the procedure. If Ellie is truly the most valuable resource in finding a cure, wouldn't you want to be absolutely sure that this procedure has a very solid chance of producing a cure before brain surgery? Or even if the Doctor needed to have a better understanding of what was going on inside her brain/skull to further research on finding a cure. We as an audience are not given enough information. The dialogue from last night's episode:
"Our doctor thinks that the cordyceps in Ellie has grown with her since birth. It produces a kind of chemical messenger. It makes normal cordyceps think that she's cordyceps. It's why she's immune." - Marlene
It just seems like the surgery is more of a "hail mary". I didn't feel Joel's decision to save Ellie was unjust. I would feel much more conflicted if there was solid evidence or reasoning why they needed to perform brain surgery.
Appreciate anyone who can chime in.
Starts at 41:42.
I'm not spoilering the video. Just don't watch if you don't want to know what happens. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Shoes:
Can someone who played the game comment on how the game compares to the series in regards to the information Joel is given at the hospital?
Spoilers on last night's episode below.
Spoiler!
In the series, Joel is essentially given 30 seconds of dialogue regarding why Ellie is going into surgery but it seems like it is anything but a a sure thing.
To me the finale is all about portraying Joel as a conflicted protagonist. He's obviously an anti-hero from the beginning but takes a major step of serving his own purposes and desires as he saves Ellie since he obviously loves and cares for her.
I find it hard to disagree with his actions though when the audience is not fully aware of the Firefly's homework in regards to the procedure. If Ellie is truly the most valuable resource in finding a cure, wouldn't you want to be absolutely sure that this procedure has a very solid chance of producing a cure before brain surgery? Or even if the Doctor needed to have a better understanding of what was going on inside her brain/skull to further research on finding a cure. We as an audience are not given enough information. The dialogue from last night's episode:
"Our doctor thinks that the cordyceps in Ellie has grown with her since birth. It produces a kind of chemical messenger. It makes normal cordyceps think that she's cordyceps. It's why she's immune." - Marlene
It just seems like the surgery is more of a "hail mary". I didn't feel Joel's decision to save Ellie was unjust. I would feel much more conflicted if there was solid evidence or reasoning why they needed to perform brain surgery.
Appreciate anyone who can chime in.
Your second spoiler paragraph basically nails it. Everything's grey. Good or bad is completely subjective to your perspective is kind of the whole theme of the game/show.
Spoiler!
the game handles it basically the same. Joel wakes up, gets the story about it's in her brain this is what we are doing. In the game there is recordings you can find from exploring that go a little deeper, but the driving force of the story is the same. The fireflies are doing what is right to them to save the world. From Joel's perspective, that would be ending the world. Joel did save the world, his world. But at what price?
The explanation for WHY Ellie is immune isn't from the game. It's actually pretty vague. 'The Cordyceps in her brain mutated. We can reverse engineer it to make a vaccine' is pretty much how it's done in the game. [Reply]
Fireflies were cunts anyway. They renege on even the original deal (which was literally just taking Ellie across Boston), jack Joel's shit, and plan to throw him out without even letting him have a final goodbye. :-) what the hell did they think Joel was going to do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Fireflies were cunts anyway. They renege on even the original deal (which was literally just taking Ellie across Boston), jack Joel's shit, and plan to throw him out without even letting him have a final goodbye. :-) what the hell did they think Joel was going to do.
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They have one shot at a vaccine for that shit and it's not even guaranteed. Plus what do they think is going to happen? After years of living in a lawless wasteland...that shit is just going to go back to normal?
I get why people don't side with Joel but I would agree with them...if they had given Ellie a choice.
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Yeah…there is that as well. For all the talk about FEDRA, the Fireflies are the exact same. Just on the other side of the spectrum.
Kind of the overarching theme, good and evil depend on the perspective of who is looking at it in this world. [Reply]
Also, LOL at Joel going Rambo on an entire compound-full of trained muscle, but getting shived with a broken baseball bat by some random jamoke
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I would be cautious assuming any traiining from the Fireflies. They gave a 16 year old girl a handgun and half a dozen pipe bombs with no training at all but she was "sneaky".
