Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this thread; please correct me if I've gotten it wrong.https://t.co/AwE2cHIbeJ
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Go to bed. Come back and post this shit when you smell the burning bodies.
To me, the simulations prompting the aggressive responses seem relevant to the thread. It might answer some of the "why are we closing down everything" concerns.
I would rather post this shit when we can make a difference on how this pandemic plays out. [Reply]
Italy seems to have flatlined with new cases for the 4th day in a row. Unless there’s some other reason like they only have 4k tests per day or something.
Deaths have also flatlined for 3 days - lending support to my theory that deaths are lagging new cases by like a day. IE - people know how bad it is, so they don’t show up at the hospital until they’re at death’s door. [Reply]
We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this thread; please correct me if I've gotten it wrong.https://t.co/AwE2cHIbeJ
Pretty much lays out what we're in for the next 18 months - cycles of lock down, then open up, then lock down again when cases spike. We'll see how it goes in China and Italy whenever they open back up.
Here's hoping for a summer pause at least.
I have no idea why the NFL thinks they’re going to have a season. Maybe with no fans. But it’s a contact sport. Once one player gets it they'll have to shut it down I'd think. Maybe by then they can test every player and coach before every game. It did say large gatherings weren't that dangerous because the contact is limited. But I still can't see them allowing stadiums full of people if the virus is still running around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
This was a great read. Thanks for posting.
Pretty much lays out what we're in for the next 18 months - cycles of lock down, then open up, then lock down again when cases spike. We'll see how it goes in China and Italy whenever they open back up.
Here's hoping for a summer pause at least.
I have no idea why the NFL thinks they’re going to have a season. Maybe with no fans. But it’s a contact sport. Once one player gets it they'll have to shut it down I'd think. Maybe by then they can test every player and coach before every game. It did say large gatherings weren't that dangerous because the contact is limited. But I still can't see them allowing stadiums full of people if the virus is still running around.
Absent some therapeutic that is effective and available widespread there won’t be an NFL season and not much of an economy over the next 12-18 months. FWIW I think they’ll get a vaccine in less than 18 months, but all the happy talk about this being gone in weeks seems highly unlikely. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Gelson's is letting seniors in an hour early. They should all be doing that.
Also Trader Joe's only lets so many people in at a time so it's not too crowded. Apparently Vons doesn't do that which is dumb.
How does this help if the virus can live for days or even hours on objects?
Stock boy has virus, wipes his nose, and places boxes of Mac N Cheese on shelf. Senior grabs it an hour later. Senior gets the virus — or is it not as communicable as the talking heads are saying it is? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
How does this help if the virus can live for days or even hours on objects?
Stock boy has virus, wipes his nose, and places boxes of Mac N Cheese on shelf. Senior grabs it an hour later. Senior gets the virus — or is it not as communicable as the talking heads are saying it is?
It helps because the senior isn't fighting people for toilet paper. And presumably it's a little less crowded.
I think they're doing their stocking at night these days. They're all shutting down early. Some virus might be around in the day but it's not clear how viable it still is.
But it's mostly just so they don't get trampled I think. And not to have them around a bunch of youngs who are asymptomatically shedding the virus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
It helps because the senior isn't fighting people for toilet paper. And presumably it's a little less crowded.
I think they're doing their stocking at night these days. They're all shutting down early. Some virus might be around in the day but it's not clear how viable it still is.
But it's mostly just so they don't get trampled I think. And not to have them around a bunch of youngs who are asymptomatically shedding the virus.
Makes total sense.
Coronavirus is going to shut down the economy for at least a year unless they can find therapy that curtails it until a vaccine is ready next year. [Reply]
