Royals ***Official 2022 Royals Season Repository Thread*** - Page 404

Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
Handled poorly? My God, how much more rope did Dayton need?

Can he not be praised for winning two pennants and a WS (in a short time frame) while ALSO being held accountable for failing to field a competitive team post-2017?

This Jeff Flanagan stuff (and I like him, BTW) about how hard it is for a small market team to win a WS? Well, jeebus, apparently it's A LOT EASIER than winning 81+ games in the regular season over a 16-year period.

There's no reason why it has to be a feast/famine, either/or prospect ("You can be like Tampa and Oakland and have no WS, or you can be the Royals with one WS and a whole bunch of shit the rest of the time."). Sure, WS are hard to come by. But who says the trade-off for one has to be multiple 100-loss seasons?

They were suppose to let more resign and get a nice big fluff piece about what a great dude he is. Instead they fired him and basically said he wasn't good at his job anymore so the media people he was nice to, and built relationships with are big mad..

I bet the guys who wrote the athletic article he called liars however are not upset.
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Originally Posted by Mecca:
But Jon Heyman is mad!

So is his brother, Buster.
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Yeah the idea he was fired for a seminar is too dumb to take seriously. He was the same dude back in 14-15 and he wasn’t getting fired when he was going to the WS

Personally I think his tone deaf comments to Flanagan showed he wasn’t a good bet to actually fix the pitching woes . The fact Sherman didn’t wait 2 weeks implies he heard the comments and didn’t like them

He wasn't fired because of that stuff. You're right that it wouldn't come up if he was winning.

But that event leaking, his response to it, other comments... those things drive the "religious zealot" thing. Which gets more attention when things are going poorly and player selection and development is being given close scrutiny and examination.
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Do wonder if that article, or at least his reaction to it, had any part in his firing.
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Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Do wonder if that article, or at least his reaction to it, had any part in his firing.

The timing of this sure seems to indicate it
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
He wasn't fired because of that stuff. You're right that it wouldn't come up if he was winning.

But that event leaking, his response to it, other comments... those things drive the "religious zealot" thing. Which gets more attention when things are going poorly and player selection and development is being given close scrutiny and examination.

Tonight an unnamed Royals staffer meets with Bobby Witt who asks for the stuff, he hands Bobby a flashdrive..he takes that drive to a personal room and plugs it into his laptop...Backdoor Sluts 7 appears on the screen..it is truly a new era in Kansas City.
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Originally Posted by tk13:
Man they were flat out killing the Royals on MLB Network this morning. Writers, former players, etc. all saying this was handled poorly especially for someone who is as respected as Dayton. That was interesting.

They’ve been on that bandwagon since yesterday. Everyone on that network loves Dayton Moore.

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Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Do wonder if that article, or at least his reaction to it, had any part in his firing.

I wonder if it just moved up the timing. I suspect Sherman may have done his own inquiries as to why things were the way they were, and the answers alone were enough to convince him a change was in order.

Maybe Dayton's thin-skinned, defensive reaction -- days after the story came out, after he'd had time to digest it and consider his response (with the coaching of Sam Mellinger) -- told Sherman not to wait until after the season.

That speculation is still alive. :-)
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
They’ve been on that bandwagon since yesterday. Everyone on that network loves Dayton Moore.

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Again, I think you can like Moore as a person, while also holding him accountable for his job. Sports leaders get fired all the time for performance reasons -- it's the ultimate results-based industry -- but that doesn't necessarily make them bad people (although Scott Pioli, I'm looking at you).

The inability of so many people to separate the two is maddening. Dayton wasn't wronged or disrespected. If anything, he was allowed a graceful exit at the press conference instead of being fired by press release.
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
I wonder if it just moved up the timing. I suspect Sherman may have done his own inquiries as to why things were the way they were, and the answers alone were enough to convince him a change was in order.

Maybe Dayton's thin-skinned, defensive reaction -- days after the story came out, after he'd had time to digest it and consider his response (with the coaching of Sam Mellinger) -- told Sherman not to wait until after the season.

That speculation is still alive. :-)

Probably it.
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Nightingale indicated it is rumored that Moore refused to fire ppl… and that forced Sherman’s hand.
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Originally Posted by tk13:
Man they were flat out killing the Royals on MLB Network this morning. Writers, former players, etc. all saying this was handled poorly especially for someone who is as respected as Dayton. That was interesting.

Both things can be true:

1) Moore did an amazing job resurrecting the Royals franchise from where it was when he took over. Those first 10 years on the job are a fairy tale.

He rebuilt the organization from the ground up, including its reputation. He scrubbed the "cheap" Royals approach (where administrative employees needed Director-level approval to order things like pens and office supplies). He built an international scouting team, and he rebuilt their scouting team into a really great group. And then he pulled those things together to develop an incredible, deep farm system that he then cashed in with a great 3-year run.

And then he went for it with his core teams in 2016 and 2017. To his credit.

2) Moore did not adapt well to changes in baseball talent acquisition and development. Spend and throw money at athletic traits is no longer the way to go about it. His core tendencies (loyalty and trust in the process) became liabilities.

He got a chance to rebuild it again. And the year he pointed to as the year it would start succeeding failed, HARD, in large part because the pitching development side of the organization continued to be a liability and let down the efforts. And the coaching staff he picked didn't make it better, and looks to be making it worse.

The comments in response to the Athletic article last week kind of crystallize the picture that Moore is someone who has just been passed by the times, who hasn't stayed up on trends, and who is also oblivious to that.

If it's true he was asked what staffing changes he was going to make to fix it, and his answer was "none, these are the right people, and I trust them to get it right this time." that just hammers it home even more.
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Originally Posted by nychief:
Nightingale indicated it is rumored that Moore refused to fire ppl… and that forced Sherman’s hand.

There's a part of me that wonders if he vetoed a bunch of things Picollo wanted to do and that factored in.
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DM should have been fired the day he said that finishing above 500 was like winning the WS.

Seemed like every time he spoke this season he said stuff just as, if not more, ignorant.
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Originally Posted by nychief:
Nightingale indicated it is rumored that Moore refused to fire ppl… and that forced Sherman’s hand.

Yeah, that's fucking embarrassing if it's truthful.
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