Originally Posted by staylor26:
While the PFF and AP idiots are overly concerned with positional value and trading draft picks away, the Chiefs have completely rebuilt their OL into a strength.
They said paying a G like Thuney was bad.
Trading away picks to pay Orlando Brown was bad.
Drafting a C at 63 was bad.
They ignore the overall picture and results in favor of their “rules”.
It’s fucking dumb.
I agree with the premise of not paying guards that much, but it still depends on context. A team like Jacksonville perhaps shouldn't give that contract to Joe Thuney. He's just not going to make a significant enough difference to matter. A team like them definitely IS better off using the draft and other forms of young player development to gradually improve it over multiple seasons, because it's going to take that long for them to start competing.
The Chiefs had the resources. They had the money. They needed the help. And the help is going to significantly make a difference.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
While the PFF and AP idiots are overly concerned with positional value and trading draft picks away, the Chiefs have completely rebuilt their OL into a strength.
They said paying a G like Thuney was bad.
Trading away picks to pay Orlando Brown was bad.
Drafting a C at 63 was bad.
They ignore the overall picture and results in favor of their “rules”.
It’s ****ing dumb.
I'm not interested in defending the AP guys, I'll just defend myself.
I don't think there's any doubt that the Chiefs had tunnel vision this offseason -- they used all three phases of the offseason to improve the OL almost exclusively.
As a result, we are now shallow everywhere else. We were willing to obliterate our capspace for Trent Williams.
We have no starting DE. We have no WR. We are skinny at literally every other position.
There was a middle ground here. We know there was. [Reply]
When you’re a team like kc and you don’t really have a gaping hole and have a super talented roster, you take good football players that fall for dumb reasons
The ones that did for the chiefs may not be at high level positions you’d like but really you don’t get to make that decision unless you wanna trade up [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
When you’re a team like kc and you don’t really have a gaping hole and have a super talented roster, you take good football players that fall for dumb reasons
The ones that did for the chiefs may not be at high level positions you’d like but really you don’t get to make that decision unless you wanna trade up
We had holes everywhere.
Still do -- we have at least two holes open at starting positions.
Guys, if Frank Clark goes down, which he has every year we've had him, we're going to be starting Taco Charlton and Mike Danna. And rotating in Tim Ward and Kaindoh.
You guys aren't grasping how big of a hole that is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
We had holes everywhere.
Still do -- we have at least two holes open at starting positions.
Guys, if Frank Clark goes down, which he has every year we've had him, we're going to be starting Taco Charlton and Mike Danna. And rotating in Tim Ward and Kaindoh.
You guys aren't grasping how big of a hole that is.
They've got guys that can play it. Not at an elite level. But fine.
If it is leaving that "hole" there or leaving a hole on teh OL well, we know how that plays out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Daniel Jeremiah had Bolton 30th. He feels the Chiefs got a 1st round player (in this draft) at 58.
BuT PoSiTiOnAl VaLuE!!
Value IS value.
Production per unit Salary Cap.
That is what we need to be concerned with.
The likelihood of Humphrey providing more production than a picked through selection for WR 2 is pretty high IMO.
I don't know a ton about Bolton, but if he can play, he's probably right up there. From the little I've seen there is some risk athletically, but I don't know much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Daniel Jeremiah had Bolton 30th. He feels the Chiefs got a 1st round player (in this draft) at 58.
BuT PoSiTiOnAl VaLuE!!
Value IS value.
Obviously the league had him a little different though.
In the end, it will all come down to him. If he shows he can run and play 3 downs, it was a great pick and it was wrong for him to fall. If he ends up a 2 down Reggie Ragland type guy, yeah he fell for a reason [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Obviously the league had him a little different though.
In the end, it will all come down to him. If he shows he can run and play 3 downs, it was a great pick and it was wrong for him to fall. If he ends up a 2 down Reggie Ragland type guy, yeah he fell for a reason
Orrrr he fell because of positional value and/or needs.
We don’t know.
I do know that he was a consensus top 40-50 guy that some even had in the 1st.
That’s value at 58.
And :-) he’s so much better than Ragland. He’s a 3 down player even if he’s not a stud in coverage. He’s capable. [Reply]
We know what Ragland was/is in the league. As prospects, they seem fairly similar.
Legit 3 down linebackers don’t tend to fall if that’s what the league thinks they are. I’m hoping he’s more devin bush jr than the league seems to think [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
We know what Ragland was/is in the league. As prospects, they seem fairly similar.
Legit 3 down linebackers don’t tend to fall if that’s what the league thinks they are. I’m hoping he’s more devin bush jr than the league seems to think