I’m all for getting Soto and Corbin then making another deal for Lopez. You have a great farm system where prospects are being blocked. Utilize it and trade for stars. Just hope they can keep Winn and trade Gorman instead, move Edman back to 2B. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marco Polo:
I’m all for getting Soto and Corbin then making another deal for Lopez. You have a great farm system where prospects are being blocked. Utilize it and trade for stars. Just hope they can keep Winn and trade Gorman instead, move Edman back to 2B.
The Nationals dont sound interested in attaching Corbin to Soto. Like I said when this all started, why would they? Corbin has the exact remaining years on his deal as Soto. If you are trading Soto, you are punting those years, so getting Corbin off the books isn't exactly a priority because the team is going to suck and be cheap.
"We're not going to dilute the return for any player by including a bad contract," Rizzo said, when @JunksRadio asked him about throwing the Corbin contract into another deal at the deadline.
Apparently Jeff Passan dropped a nugget on some radio show saying that his sources have confirmed the Yankees have offered up 5 of their top 10 and Torres for Soto and that it's the best offer at this moment for Soto. Who the fuck knows who the 5 are though. If Volpe was involved there would probably be a lot more talk about it so I doubt its a very "strong" 5, if it's even a real rumor.
EDIT: Nevermind. Passan put out some PSA on his twitter talking about if its news you'll see it there and not on some radio show. Yankees mods trolling their own forums. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The Padres are probably the biggest concern for me.
Extremely aggressive GM and they have some very nice pieces. Hassell would be pretty near Walker in terms of long-term upside. They'd need to believe that Campusano can play 1b, though - they have Ruiz and I think he's a better defender. Can Campusano's bat profile at 1b? As a legitimate asset, I mean; not a placeholder.
What would have to swing it is almost certainly Abrams and Gore. The Nationals would have to have faith in those guys previous status as being more representative of who they can be.
And if they do - Abrams, Gore, Hassell and Campusano would be a REALLY tough package to top. But if Abrams and Gore don't trip their trigger, I don't see anyone else in that system that's going to turn anyone's head.
Early morning rumblings is that according to Britt Ghiroli, the Padres are exchanging names with the Nationals on Soto and that Abrams, Gore, and Hassell were all included in their preliminary offer.
She mentioned it in an Athletic podcast and the brief reaction between everyone there was Gore's injury and what it does to that offer. But say they back off on Gore, put Campusano in, and then pivot to a pitcher like Susana who is a Tink Hence level pitching prospect, imo... things just got interesting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jd1020:
Early morning rumblings is that according to Britt Ghiroli, the Padres are exchanging names with the Nationals on Soto and that Abrams, Gore, and Hassell were all included in their preliminary offer.
She mentioned it in an Athletic podcast and the brief reaction between everyone there was Gore's injury and what it does to that offer. But say they back off on Gore, put Campusano in, and then pivot to a pitcher like Susana who is a Tink Hence level pitching prospect, imo... things just got interesting.
If they have a team built around Tatis and Soto for a decade good luck NL. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jd1020:
Early morning rumblings is that according to Britt Ghiroli, the Padres are exchanging names with the Nationals on Soto and that Abrams, Gore, and Hassell were all included in their preliminary offer.
She mentioned it in an Athletic podcast and the brief reaction between everyone there was Gore's injury and what it does to that offer. But say they back off on Gore, put Campusano in, and then pivot to a pitcher like Susana who is a Tink Hence level pitching prospect, imo... things just got interesting.
At this point I think Gorman/Abrams are about similar in value.
I'd put Walker a hair ahead of Hassell.
I still think the Cardinals get it done if they're willing to move Walker. They won't get it done if they aren't. And I think that's the way it's been from the start. [Reply]
For anyone prospect hoarding, this was our farm in 2013. It was ranked #1 in baseball, besides OT and CMart for a season no one else really panned out great. Rosie was alright but you can’t hoard your farm for someone like Juan Soto pic.twitter.com/T4z7UfzA65
And he recently reported (like, within the hour) that talks are intensifying between the Padres and Nationals. Hassell is the big piece here, IMO. And Abrams has some ability but sure seems to be struggling to tap it. Maybe there's some Buxton potential there where he just takes longer to break out than hoped.
If the Cardinals let Soto go to SD it demonstrates just how half-assed their efforts at actually winning truly are. Gotta gather up as many of those Fabergé eggs as possible, eh Moe? Looking forward to that Edmundo Sosa for a fringy AAAA long-reliever deal making headlines in short order.
Typical Mozo - first in line with the next best offer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hector Gomez (pretty respected baseball journalist; specializes in Latin America) is floating a few packages out there as being on the table:
And he recently reported (like, within the hour) that talks are intensifying between the Padres and Nationals. Hassell is the big piece here, IMO. And Abrams has some ability but sure seems to be struggling to tap it. Maybe there's some Buxton potential there where he just takes longer to break out than hoped.
If the Cardinals let Soto go to SD it demonstrates just how half-assed their efforts at actually winning truly are. Gotta gather up as many of those Fabergé eggs as possible, eh Moe? Looking forward to that Edmundo Sosa for a fringy AAAA long-reliever deal making headlines in short order.
Typical Mozo - first in line with the next best offer.
That's the most irksome part about this for me. Leaving walker off the list shows a lack of a serious intent to do this deal. I understand getting the best negotiated price but at least put forth a genuine good faith offer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hector Gomez (pretty respected baseball journalist; specializes in Latin America) is floating a few packages out there as being on the table:
And he recently reported (like, within the hour) that talks are intensifying between the Padres and Nationals. Hassell is the big piece here, IMO. And Abrams has some ability but sure seems to be struggling to tap it. Maybe there's some Buxton potential there where he just takes longer to break out than hoped.
If the Cardinals let Soto go to SD it demonstrates just how half-assed their efforts at actually winning truly are. Gotta gather up as many of those Fabergé eggs as possible, eh Moe? Looking forward to that Edmundo Sosa for a fringy AAAA long-reliever deal making headlines in short order.
Typical Mozo - first in line with the next best offer.
Yeah, if the Cardinals could get it done WITHOUT including Walker and choose not to, it's asininely conservative.
Abrams has had a weird year at the MLB level. Honestly, I'm not sure teams would place a lot of stock in it. Between injuries, making the team early because of injuries, and then inconsistent playing time, his numbers at the MLB level through 120 ABs don't say much. He isn't striking out at an exorbitant rate, he just hasn't hit the ground running.
He HAS performed at a high level in his limited dips at AAA this year.
I won't get mad at the Royals for not pursuing Soto hard. But if I were a Cardinals-first guy, I'd be livid if he lands anywhere else. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Yeah, if the Cardinals could get it done WITHOUT including Walker and choose not to, it's asininely conservative.
Abrams has had a weird year at the MLB level. Honestly, I'm not sure teams would place a lot of stock in it. Between injuries, making the team early because of injuries, and then inconsistent playing time, his numbers at the MLB level through 120 ABs don't say much. He isn't striking out at an exorbitant rate, he just hasn't hit the ground running.
He HAS performed at a high level in his limited dips at AAA this year.
I won't get mad at the Royals for not pursuing Soto hard. But if I were a Cardinals-first guy, I'd be livid if he lands anywhere else.
If they can get it done WHILE including Walker and choose not to, it's a real problem.
That's been my point all along - I don't think any pursuit of Soto that takes Walker off the table just isn't serious. You can't say to a team "Yeah, I want that HoF guy who can barely drink but I'm not even willing to give you my top prospect for him..."
I love Walker - don't get me wrong. But c'mon - this is Juan Soto. It's not like the Padres are going out there and saying "Nah, we just can't include Robert Hassell..."
Going by Hector Gomez's timeline is doesnt sound too good for the Cardinals offer. 6 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Cardinals offers and 3 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Nationals intensifying their discussions.
Originally Posted by jd1020:
Going by Hector Gomez's timeline is doesnt sound too good for the Cardinals offer. 6 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Cardinals offers and 3 hours ago he tweeted about the Padres and Nationals intensifying their discussions.
Time to put Walker in the deal.
They really should have done that from the jump if they were serious. I think Mo would be absolutely shocked if by some turn of events they ended up winning this bid. They are far more concerned about the appearance of effort than results. [Reply]