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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 08:58 AM 12-22-2021
The booster is a lesser dosage, last I saw it wasn't eliciting the issues it was prior.
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O.city 09:01 AM 12-22-2021

NEW: Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization, New Study Shows https://t.co/gygoHRLHFF

— Nicole Saphier, MD (@NBSaphierMD) December 22, 2021

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O.city 09:02 AM 12-22-2021
I think we're gonna get lucky and Omnicron will push out Delta. The problem is Delta is still wrecking here in the US.
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bdj23 09:05 AM 12-22-2021
If this version of covid is inevitable then I'm certainly not getting a booster. I'll just let nature do it's thing. I'm sick right now with (what I believe is) a cold and it's almost indistinguishable from when I had covid in October.

No brain fog though, that's nice I guess.
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Marcellus 09:15 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think we're gonna get lucky and Omnicron will push out Delta. The problem is Delta is still wrecking here in the US.
We haven't seen anything like what we did with the Delta boom in July. None of our November/December positives have required hospitalization where 10% of our positives did back in July.

I think Omnicron has been here longer than we know.
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suzzer99 11:14 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by TimBone:
But Joe Rogan said..

Was just briefed by a major hospital network CEO. It's not just that they're beyond capacity. The families of their unvaccinated patients are ATTACKING caregivers for not giving them the 'right' meds and (quack) treatments.

25 incidents EVERY DAY.

This. Is. INSANE.

— Rep. Casey Weinstein (@RepWeinstein) December 21, 2021


This is why Rogan having Alex Berenson on a half dozen times pushing his misinformation nonsense is far from harmless.
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bdj23 11:16 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by suzzer99:


This is why Rogan having Alex Berenson on a half dozen times pushing his misinformation nonsense is far from harmless.
lol where is the proof?
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suzzer99 11:17 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2:
There is also data out now that the risk of myocarditis in males under 40 is greater after 2 Moderna shots than it is from catching Covid. The numbers will likely climb if Moderna is being used as a booster.

The US should follow the European countries who don't recommend Moderna for males under 40.
Let me guess - someone looked at VAERS and compared the rates of myocarditis in 2021 to a year when we weren't trying to vaccinate 250 million people as fast as possible. Totally apples to apples there.

Remember VAERS doesn't say the condition was caused by the shot, only that a condition occurred around the same time frame. There will always be lots of coincidences. Which is why you need someone knowledgeable to filter out the noise, and also why VAERS is so easy for click-bait charlatans to turn into misinformation.

VAERS is intended for comparing rates of issues that occur around the vaccination time year over year to look for trends. Obviously in 2021 it's going to be impossible to compare to a previous year to look for any trends. Anyone who does so is either very ignorant, or most likely being deliberately misleading.
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suzzer99 11:22 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by BDj23:
lol where is the proof?
So every time an elected representative says something, we require proof, or we can just ignore it if we want to? That's convenient.

You think the people staging maskless sitins at Cheesecake factories wouldn't attack hospital staff if their loved one was dying? You think those nutjobs in Dallas wouldn't attack hospital staff? May I refer to 1000s of videos on the internet of people getting violent when simply asked to wear a mask? You think those people wouldn't attack hospital staff?

A wise person once said: it is a fact of life that we hold ideas we would like to believe to a lower standard of proof than ideas we would like to disbelieve. In the former case we ask "Am I allowed to believe it?" and in the latter case we ask "Am I forced to believe it?"

Yeah I'll admit it, when an elected representative says something that makes total sense given all the available evidence, I tend to believe it. You on the other hand want to require incontrovertible truth for something that could pretty obviously be true.
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dirk digler 11:30 AM 12-22-2021
With people still talking about ivermectin... So guy gets covid, his doctor prescribes ivermectin, doesn't work so he goes to hospital and mom sues to keep giving him it.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...treatment-dies

COVID-19 patient whose family sued Olathe Medical Center over ivermectin treatment dies

Originally Posted by :
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The man whose mother sued Olathe Medical Center to compel the hospital to treat him with ivermectin died from COVID-19 complications last week.

Deke Belden, 41, died Dec. 13 after being hospitalized for more than two weeks. He was under sedation for treatment of pneumonia related to a COVID-19 infection.

Belden’s personal physician had approved treatment of COVID-19 with ivermectin after he was diagnosed in November. He used a private supply that belonged to his mother, Sherri Belden.

But Olathe Medical Center stopped treatment with ivermectin — an anti-parasitic most often used to treat heartworm in livestock — after he was admitted Nov. 27 through the emergency room.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved nor does it recommend treating COVID-19 with ivermectin, though its use as a treatment has gained traction primarily among anti-vaxxers.

The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention issued a health advisory in August 2021, warning of an increase in cases of ivermectin overdoses.

Sherri Belden, acting under power of attorney with her son sedated, sued Olathe Medical Center in Johnson County District Court on Dec. 6, seeking a court order to allow her son to be treated with ivermectin as “the last, best chance of survival from this dread disease.”

She had previously brought in some of her own ivermectin and tried to administer it to Deke Belden in the hospital, but Olathe Medical Center staff intervened.

"The physicians and caregivers at Olathe Medical Center take an evidence-based approach to COVID-19 treatment, just as with any other illness or condition," the hospital said in a statement to KSHB 41 News last week. "The patient’s best interest is always the top priority with consideration of all appropriate treatment options as guided by certifying medical boards."

A judge rejected a temporary emergency injunction Dec. 8.

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dirk digler 11:38 AM 12-22-2021
Pfizer Pill authorized by FDA

Originally Posted by :
An at-home treatment for COVID-19 that can prevent serious illness was authorized by the Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday, offering a note of optimism for the future of the pandemic in an otherwise uncertain time as the world faces the omicron variant.

When taken early, Pfizer's pill was 89% effective at reducing the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19, according to the company, and was effective against omicron.

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla estimated that 1,200 deaths and 6,000 hospitalizations would be prevented for every 100,000 COVID-19 patients who take the pills.

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bdj23 11:40 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
So every time an elected representative says something, we require proof, or we can just ignore it if we want to? That's convenient.

You think the people staging maskless sitins at Cheesecake factories wouldn't attack hospital staff if their loved one was dying? You think those nutjobs in Dallas wouldn't attack hospital staff? May I refer to 1000s of videos on the internet of people getting violent when simply asked to wear a mask? You think those people wouldn't attack hospital staff?

A wise person once said: it is a fact of life that we hold ideas we would like to believe to a lower standard of proof than ideas we would like to disbelieve. In the former case we ask "Am I allowed to believe it?" and in the latter case we ask "Am I forced to believe it?"

Yeah I'll admit it, when an elected representative says something that makes total sense given all the available evidence, I tend to believe it. You on the other hand want to require incontrovertible truth for something that could pretty obviously be true.
Politicians lie all the time. If this is happening "25 times a day" I think there would be at least ONE video, considering everyone in the world has a camera in their pocket.

But you're an NPC, so eat it up.
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O.city 11:44 AM 12-22-2021
When people have family members/friends what not that sick and dying they lash out. It happens and it's terrible.

We're getting to caught up in stupid bullshit like this.
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suzzer99 11:44 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by BDj23:
Politicians lie all the time. If this is happening "25 times a day" I think there would be at least ONE video, considering everyone in the world has a camera in their pocket.

But you're an NPC, so eat it up.
Look at all these lies, it's a gigantic conspiracy:

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/...ovid-19-surge/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...001/?gnt-cfr=1

https://www.businessinsider.com/covi...rmectin-2021-9

https://www.who.int/news-room/featur...xt-of-covid-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-...panic-buttons/

https://www.fox29.com/news/health-ca...9-safety-rules

https://www.ksat.com/video/news/2021...xecutive-says/

https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/...a-0321dc6f3c6c

https://whdh.com/news/mass-er-nurses...ient-violence/

Your stance amounts to - I refuse to believe it until you force me to, even though it's perfectly in line with other behavior we've seen during the pandemic.
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Rain Man 11:45 AM 12-22-2021
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Pfizer Pill authorized by FDA
I've still never crossed the Atlantic by ship, so I need stuff like this.
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