Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by TLO:
A couple studies have come out and shown Moderna may be superior to Pfizer in terms of effectiveness vs the delta variant. I haven't actually read the studies yet.
Unless something new dropped, last I knew it was data from Mayo Clinic that was not peer reviewed. [Reply]
They report 6,490 deaths out of 346 million shots = .0018%
Your alleged 45,000 deaths out of 346 million shots = .013%
And that's if ALL the reported deaths were caused by the vaccines. They haven't identified any proven, causal deaths yet.
The data does show a correlation. Reactions occurred primarily in the first 1-2 weeks. Reports dropped significantly after that. Most occurred in the first 3 days. If there were no association, you'd see a flat curve of reactions over 4 to 6 weeks.
Do you really expect those who are aggressively pushing us to get multiple doses to publicly admit causation?
45,000 deaths within 3 days of injection is nothing for anyone to sneeze at and, if accurate, it should obviously be investigated. Even the reported number should be investigated.
Btw, I'm not sure why people focus only on the death total, as if dropping dead within three days would be the only sign that it's caused harm to your body. The number of serious reported side effects is far higher. And the percentage of unreported effects is likely vastly higher than that. It's been estimated that about 1% of vaccine side effects (in general) are reported.
It might be beating a dead horse, but no one knows what the longterm effects will be. And I wouldn't call this a great start.
Why would you downplay .013% anyway, when most of us have a 99.98% chance of surviving Covid? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
The data does show a correlation. Reactions occurred primarily in the first 1-2 weeks. Reports dropped significantly after that. Most occurred in the first 3 days. If there were no association, you'd see a flat curve of reactions over 4 to 6 weeks.
Do you really expect those who are aggressively pushing us to get multiple doses to publicly admit causation?
45,000 deaths within 3 days of injection is nothing for anyone to sneeze at and, if accurate, it should obviously be investigated. Even the reported number should be investigated.
Btw, I'm not sure why people focus only on the death total, as if dropping dead within three days would be the only sign that it's caused harm to your body. The number of serious reported side effects is far higher. And the percentage of unreported effects is likely vastly higher than that. It's been estimated that about 1% of vaccine side effects (in general) are reported.
It might be beating a dead horse, but no one knows what the longterm effects will be. And I wouldn't call this a great start.
Why would you downplay .013% anyway, when most of us have a 99.98% chance of surviving Covid?
Go away. Nobody in here gives a shit about your babbling. Go beat yourself off with the other nuts in DC. [Reply]
One of the issues from the beginning of this thing is that people seem to get really caught up in arguing about the minutiae and just ignore the big picture. Choose any metric you want, and it's obvious that vaccinated people aren't going to hospitals at anywhere near the rate that unvaccinated people are. Anything beyond that really doesn't matter.
(And are we seriously responding to a guy who thinks 45k people have died from the vaccines and no one except one rando at the CDC has noticed it?) [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
Go away. Nobody in here gives a shit about your babbling. Go beat yourself off with the other nuts in DC.
If only certain people showed this level of concern for people dying of COVID-19. It’s “these people we’re going to die anyway” or “they died with COVID, not from COVID “
That doesn’t mean this should not be investigated, and I have a lot of confidence it is being investigated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
One of the issues from the beginning of this thing is that people seem to get really caught up in arguing about the minutiae and just ignore the big picture. Choose any metric you want, and it's obvious that vaccinated people aren't going to hospitals at anywhere near the rate that unvaccinated people are. Anything beyond that really doesn't matter.
(And are we seriously responding to a guy who thinks 45k people have died from the vaccines and no one except one rando at the CDC has noticed it?)
*one rando in Ohio who doesn't work at the CDC, saying a rando at the CDC noticed it [Reply]
This is from early July and it may have been posted/discussed in here but this is the first time I've seen it.
"Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines"
..."But Goepfert says we already know enough to be confident the COVID vaccines are safe. Here is why, starting with the way vaccines work and continuing through strong evidence from vaccine history and the even stronger evidence from the responses of people who have received COVID-19 vaccines worldwide over the past six months."...
